I spoke with Wisconsin Democratic Party Chair Ben Wikler about Musk's attack on democracy, his attempt to buy the state's Supreme Court seat, and more.
This reply has a “let them eat cake” tone. Who will prosecute? Everyone who makes a move for justice finds themselves on the list as an enemy of the state if not in a concentration camp
Historically, distupting normal business and boycotting wealthy oligarch's businesses have moved oligarchs to withdraw support from dictators and led to their removal. Protests in DC are cool but parking protests - filling up Walmart and Whole Foods parking lots (no signs) between 11-3 & 4-6 p.m. on Saturday and Sunday (and Weekdays ) will have a much more powerful affect. Add Tmobile partnering with Starlink, etc.
Tyler: you are exactly right. From what I understand, the evidence that you have published/made public an off that you will pay someone (even as little as $1, let alone a sum of $1,000,000!) is a felony crime in the state of Wisconsin, then the AG for that state SHOULD FILE charges for that crime against Elon Musk!! If that is on the books, to discourage it from happening in the first place, yet it is done anyway, it shows a “lawless attitude” and an “I am above the law” mentality. In that case, “the Law” needs to slap him hard in order to get 1.) his attention; and 2, his respect for the law. So he can come to understand that the law is here and on the books for the benefit and protection of all… and, it is especially to be used for those who think they can violate it at will simply because they don’t want to be burdened with obeying it themselves.
As our Creator God has let us know in Romans 13:1-8, He is the One who set forth the law and remanded the civil violation of the laws to be censored by civilian authorities who are to render punishment for their violations, when violated.
Notice verses 2-4: “Therefore whoever resists the authorities resists what God has appointed. 3 For rulers are not a terror to good conduct, but to bad. Would you have no fear of the one who is in authority? Then do what is good, and you will receive his approval, 4 for he is God’s servant for your good. But if you do wrong, be afraid, for he does not bear the sword in vain. For he is the servant of god, an avenger who carries out God’s wrath on the wrongdoer.”
In the State of Wisconsin (and all other States), the Attorney General is the top Law Enforcement Official, and I think something like this flagrant and disrespect for the law should be handled by him, or upon his direction. (That’s why, as a citizen of the State of Florida, and as one who has voted for Pam Bondi in every statewide election she has ever run in, I had voted for her…. Because I had believed that she was a true believer in The Law and its equal application of it as our Creator has instituted it (see Romans 13:1 for that word ‘instituted’ in the Holy Scriptures); but she was won over to a person and ‘his will’ and ‘his law’ and his personal desire for getting his revenge…. and she has sold out her soul for the benefits of her benefactor (the WRONG ONE she is looking to) naming her as our nation’s AG…. and her actions thus far are proving that she understood what that appointment meant when he offered her the role…. “remember that I am your client; and I want you to use the law to shut up those who disagree with me; and I want you to use the powers of that Agency/Department to put the fear of God into them”……
……. When she ought to, instead, have the fear of God in her” and be fearing what He is going to do to her once she dies!
From a practical standpoint, corrupt billionaires are not accountable for law breaking. Fed or state level. Contrary to the assertion of the Supremes, there are US citizens who are above the law.
Gee I never read that anywhere in the constitution. And weren’t Epstein and Weinstein billionaires? In fact, there have been several who have gone to jail for various reason besides sexual abuse such as Ponzi schemes. Treason is a new one but there’s always a first for everything:)
That is why the states need to prosecute these idiots from now on until the maga regime is gone. That way trump can’t pardon them. He really is the “nasty” one.
Very well I should have said it isn’t written into law that is how it works. And as I said it hasn’t worked for many billionaires and musk should not be the exception.
Just rolling over and capitulating isn't going to help. I agree the system is rigged in favor of the billionaires but that's all the more reason to take a stand.
There’s more of us with town halls and confronting the Supreme Court till they give in like Justice Robert’s spoke up and other Judges blocking Trump and Musk whenever they can…We need to embolden them with pressure to halt the progress of Trump and Musk…Fight the Good Fight…We still have freedom of Speech…
Many have stood strong and are not afraid. AOC , independent Bernie Sanders and many others speak out regularly and are safe. NY Leticia's James is doing well.
Many have stood strong and are not afraid. AOC , independent Bernie Sanders and many others speak out regularly and are safe. NY Leticia's James is doing well.
It’s time to stop playing MAGA games: stop talking to MAGA, stop buying associated products, and let democrats know that unless you vote no on every single piece of legislation, you get no donations, no campaign phone calls, no re-election.
There is a discount outlet called Ollie's in the southeast and one of their featured products is a Trump wall clock with his ghastly visage on the face of the clock (won't be the first time he's been proven two-faced). I notified Ollie's that I considered it beneath the office of president to hawk cheap digital clocks with his brand on it, and I would not be patronizing Ollie's anymore. My wife suggested I buy them all and destroy them publicly, but I figured they'd just see how fast they sold and order more. This country is more insane by the day, all because of one deranged moron who shouldn't be allowed to manage a porta-potty.
Yes boycott everything musk owns. I deleted all SM except bluesky and Substack. I use Ecosia now instead of google. I deleted Amazon. Time to boycott and bankrupt these evil greedy billionaires.
Everyone is suffering bc they don't want to pay tax. They're trying to destroy our democracy and our lives for personal gain. It's disgusting. Starve the billionaires.
It might be a case of what Musk said is not the same as doing. No money changed hands, apparently. So no crime committed. Up to now, it’s “free speech” territory.
"A Wisconsin judge on Saturday declined to stop billionaire Elon Musk from handing over $1 million checks to two voters in the state at a planned rally days before the closely contested Supreme Court election. The state attorney general, who argues that the offer violates the law, immediately appealed after the judge refused to hear the request for an emergency injunction to block the payments."
Well, here we get into the nuances of law. Uttering a death threat is a whole different ball of wax and is clearly defined in law. Plus the threat you posed goes completely beyond words. So, a false equivalency, IMHO.
A bank transfer is still money changing hands and would be easier to prove then actual hand to hand payment. WI needs to offer a reward of some sort, doesn’t need to monetary, for someone coming forward to testify that musk is in fact doing this with proof to help prosecute him.
I agree totally this seems more serious than a warning! Also, if money hasn’t changed hands how are all these people being paid their $100 that started a week or so ago? This isn’t just about the million dollar payouts.
Musk buying a Supreme Court justice is horrible but in fighting this corruption we need to be scrupulous in reporting truthfully. "Musk posted (and later deleted, and reposted) a tweet offering $1 million each to people who show up to a town hall after voting in the critical Wisconsin Supreme Court election". This quote is not correct, he offered $1 million to 2 people attending not all attendees. This is a small error but one that Meidas touch has repeated on multiple platforms. When fighting liars it is especially important to be prudent in truth telling so we give the opposition no reason to also claim we are liars.
The money has to be given to the person and then Musk can be charged with a crime of bribery. The person accepting the money can also be charged with accepting the money as a bribe.
Money did change hands in exchange for the person being a "spokesperson" for Elon's petition against "activist judges". However the law says it is illegal to OFFER anything in exchange for votes. He offered even if he hadn't carried through.
Absolutely! Bring charges and put out a arrest warrant. I don’t know if the AG is a Republican. At least try. Trump can’t pardon him for state crimes. 🇺🇸💯 Navy Veteran
Yep, apparently the state Attorney General's after him too 👍👍👍 keep the pressure on. He's pulling that crap that he did in Pennsylvania making people sign a petition to uphold the constitution. What a bunch of BS.
They're called waterboards now. The dunking stools are the ones with the clown perched on them and you try to hit the target with a baseball to send him waterward.
While I am sure they would concoct something to favor him, the Presidential Pardon power only allows pardons for “crimes committed against the United States” so you are right.
Well - he could try, however I believe the Governors will push back as best they can (like Governors Wes Moore, Janet Mills, Matt Meyer, Tina Kotek… as examples…)
Florida....please don't sell out your state and country for Musk's dirty, filthy money. It will ultimately come back to bite you, because Trump and Musk don't care about you. If they did, they wouldn't be trying to buy your vote. They would be helping families solve their everyday issues. Buying your vote only makes them more powerful and richer....not you. Selling your vote is selling your soul to Trump and Musk. They are the devil incarnate.
This needs to be stopped trying to buy the election again thinks he will succeed twice. Make sure your votes get recorded folks. Remember trump has said that musk helped him win the last election.
Exactly. Please see Election Truth Alliance for verifiable proof that musk hacked the last election allowing trump to win. They have a petition to demand a recount.
Since Brad Schimel is the candidate, I feel like it’s fair to ask him what he thinks about it so we can watch him lie through his teeth & make his corruption more obvious
Voter stupidity put us in this position , over the price of eggs and grocery's !? We are so much more than eggs and groceries . M.A.G.A. was a buzz word for lies, division , hatred and destruction of our government . What has this man done for the middle class since taking office. Nothing ! Trying to turn our country into a dictatorship, where those at the top have everything to gain while the rest of us are pushed into a deep poverty . That's what dictators do .
They aren't just stupid, they're dishonest. They are fine with the Felon lying & cheating & abusing power when they think it benefits them, but they somehow think nothing applies to them, that they won't be cheated by a con that made his lack of ethnics perfectly clear. They think they can have it both ways & that never works, when someone shows how they treat people, they WILL do it to you.
Then prosecute Elon Musk for his lawbreaking.
The muskrat and orange felon should both be in jail. Vote Susan Crawford to save democracy in Wisconsin and America! https://democracydefender2025.substack.com/p/susan-crawford-will-save-our-democracy
Thank you! Posted elsewhere.
DONE!!
Lock them up and throw away the key.
This reply has a “let them eat cake” tone. Who will prosecute? Everyone who makes a move for justice finds themselves on the list as an enemy of the state if not in a concentration camp
This is the very attitude that allowed the rise of Hitler. Wisconsin has to prosecute. Otherwise they’re sending out a message of acquiescence.
Which is why we need civil disobedience
Historically, distupting normal business and boycotting wealthy oligarch's businesses have moved oligarchs to withdraw support from dictators and led to their removal. Protests in DC are cool but parking protests - filling up Walmart and Whole Foods parking lots (no signs) between 11-3 & 4-6 p.m. on Saturday and Sunday (and Weekdays ) will have a much more powerful affect. Add Tmobile partnering with Starlink, etc.
Tyler: you are exactly right. From what I understand, the evidence that you have published/made public an off that you will pay someone (even as little as $1, let alone a sum of $1,000,000!) is a felony crime in the state of Wisconsin, then the AG for that state SHOULD FILE charges for that crime against Elon Musk!! If that is on the books, to discourage it from happening in the first place, yet it is done anyway, it shows a “lawless attitude” and an “I am above the law” mentality. In that case, “the Law” needs to slap him hard in order to get 1.) his attention; and 2, his respect for the law. So he can come to understand that the law is here and on the books for the benefit and protection of all… and, it is especially to be used for those who think they can violate it at will simply because they don’t want to be burdened with obeying it themselves.
As our Creator God has let us know in Romans 13:1-8, He is the One who set forth the law and remanded the civil violation of the laws to be censored by civilian authorities who are to render punishment for their violations, when violated.
Notice verses 2-4: “Therefore whoever resists the authorities resists what God has appointed. 3 For rulers are not a terror to good conduct, but to bad. Would you have no fear of the one who is in authority? Then do what is good, and you will receive his approval, 4 for he is God’s servant for your good. But if you do wrong, be afraid, for he does not bear the sword in vain. For he is the servant of god, an avenger who carries out God’s wrath on the wrongdoer.”
In the State of Wisconsin (and all other States), the Attorney General is the top Law Enforcement Official, and I think something like this flagrant and disrespect for the law should be handled by him, or upon his direction. (That’s why, as a citizen of the State of Florida, and as one who has voted for Pam Bondi in every statewide election she has ever run in, I had voted for her…. Because I had believed that she was a true believer in The Law and its equal application of it as our Creator has instituted it (see Romans 13:1 for that word ‘instituted’ in the Holy Scriptures); but she was won over to a person and ‘his will’ and ‘his law’ and his personal desire for getting his revenge…. and she has sold out her soul for the benefits of her benefactor (the WRONG ONE she is looking to) naming her as our nation’s AG…. and her actions thus far are proving that she understood what that appointment meant when he offered her the role…. “remember that I am your client; and I want you to use the law to shut up those who disagree with me; and I want you to use the powers of that Agency/Department to put the fear of God into them”……
……. When she ought to, instead, have the fear of God in her” and be fearing what He is going to do to her once she dies!
….. Oops I had typed in Elon musk as the one who was committing the fraud, not you. Tyler. My apology!
If he has violated the WI state constitution then Trump can't save him using a pardon. I would arrest him the moment he lands in the state.
From a practical standpoint, corrupt billionaires are not accountable for law breaking. Fed or state level. Contrary to the assertion of the Supremes, there are US citizens who are above the law.
Gee I never read that anywhere in the constitution. And weren’t Epstein and Weinstein billionaires? In fact, there have been several who have gone to jail for various reason besides sexual abuse such as Ponzi schemes. Treason is a new one but there’s always a first for everything:)
Yeah ... And Trump keeps pardoning these criminals. Just today, for example,
"Trump Pardons Trevor Milton, Founder of Bankrupt Truck Maker Nikola"
(NY Times headline)
IOKIYAR
That is why the states need to prosecute these idiots from now on until the maga regime is gone. That way trump can’t pardon them. He really is the “nasty” one.
See the Magnitsky Act. But Trump won’t enforce it because the criminal oligarchs are his buddies.
I wonder if Canada has this act into their law books? If not they should!
Where can I find that Maginsky Act?
It is not in constitution - it is how they use wealth snd power to manipulate legal system to escape justice.
Very well I should have said it isn’t written into law that is how it works. And as I said it hasn’t worked for many billionaires and musk should not be the exception.
Giving in isn’t an option…
Just rolling over and capitulating isn't going to help. I agree the system is rigged in favor of the billionaires but that's all the more reason to take a stand.
No they would be doing their damn job.
There’s more of us with town halls and confronting the Supreme Court till they give in like Justice Robert’s spoke up and other Judges blocking Trump and Musk whenever they can…We need to embolden them with pressure to halt the progress of Trump and Musk…Fight the Good Fight…We still have freedom of Speech…
If you do not stand against them, by your very act of doing nothing, you are standing with them.
Many have stood strong and are not afraid. AOC , independent Bernie Sanders and many others speak out regularly and are safe. NY Leticia's James is doing well.
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Many have stood strong and are not afraid. AOC , independent Bernie Sanders and many others speak out regularly and are safe. NY Leticia's James is doing well.
The WI State AG should issue an arrest warrant to Musk for felony election law violation. Trump can't issue a corrupt pardon for a state felony.
He needs prosecuted and given jail time, no bail. He knows he can do whatever he wants and he just pays his way out of it.
They won't. They didn't get trump, they won't get Musk. I bet he will be a judge in Wisconsin and everywhere else, the US is finished now :(
Since he likes to sleep on the floor, prison would be an upgrade.
It’s time to stop playing MAGA games: stop talking to MAGA, stop buying associated products, and let democrats know that unless you vote no on every single piece of legislation, you get no donations, no campaign phone calls, no re-election.
There is a discount outlet called Ollie's in the southeast and one of their featured products is a Trump wall clock with his ghastly visage on the face of the clock (won't be the first time he's been proven two-faced). I notified Ollie's that I considered it beneath the office of president to hawk cheap digital clocks with his brand on it, and I would not be patronizing Ollie's anymore. My wife suggested I buy them all and destroy them publicly, but I figured they'd just see how fast they sold and order more. This country is more insane by the day, all because of one deranged moron who shouldn't be allowed to manage a porta-potty.
Boycott Starlink middlemen, starting with TMobile and cruise ships
Yes boycott everything musk owns. I deleted all SM except bluesky and Substack. I use Ecosia now instead of google. I deleted Amazon. Time to boycott and bankrupt these evil greedy billionaires.
Everyone is suffering bc they don't want to pay tax. They're trying to destroy our democracy and our lives for personal gain. It's disgusting. Starve the billionaires.
It might be a case of what Musk said is not the same as doing. No money changed hands, apparently. So no crime committed. Up to now, it’s “free speech” territory.
I could be wrong. YMMV.
"No money changed hands ..."
Ummmm ... not quite.
"A Wisconsin judge on Saturday declined to stop billionaire Elon Musk from handing over $1 million checks to two voters in the state at a planned rally days before the closely contested Supreme Court election. The state attorney general, who argues that the offer violates the law, immediately appealed after the judge refused to hear the request for an emergency injunction to block the payments."
They need to start naming these judges that are supporting musk and trump
Interesting. So the demonstration of intent to break the law is a chargeable crime. Did I get that right? Hmmm.
So you’re argument is that if I held a gun to your head but it misfired, no crime occurred?
If I did that to somebody my ass would be in jail so quickly my head would spin! That judge is really reaching here.
Well, here we get into the nuances of law. Uttering a death threat is a whole different ball of wax and is clearly defined in law. Plus the threat you posed goes completely beyond words. So, a false equivalency, IMHO.
A bank transfer is still money changing hands and would be easier to prove then actual hand to hand payment. WI needs to offer a reward of some sort, doesn’t need to monetary, for someone coming forward to testify that musk is in fact doing this with proof to help prosecute him.
True. But my point is, regardless of transfer method, no actual transaction took place. So, is a stated intent a criminal act in this instance?
I’m not a lawyer, but curious. If intent is the same as an actual act, then the prosecutor should be doing more than passing a warning.
I agree totally this seems more serious than a warning! Also, if money hasn’t changed hands how are all these people being paid their $100 that started a week or so ago? This isn’t just about the million dollar payouts.
It is very much about intent. Intent to sway an election, which is illegal.
Musk buying a Supreme Court justice is horrible but in fighting this corruption we need to be scrupulous in reporting truthfully. "Musk posted (and later deleted, and reposted) a tweet offering $1 million each to people who show up to a town hall after voting in the critical Wisconsin Supreme Court election". This quote is not correct, he offered $1 million to 2 people attending not all attendees. This is a small error but one that Meidas touch has repeated on multiple platforms. When fighting liars it is especially important to be prudent in truth telling so we give the opposition no reason to also claim we are liars.
The money has to be given to the person and then Musk can be charged with a crime of bribery. The person accepting the money can also be charged with accepting the money as a bribe.
Money did change hands in exchange for the person being a "spokesperson" for Elon's petition against "activist judges". However the law says it is illegal to OFFER anything in exchange for votes. He offered even if he hadn't carried through.
“LOCK HIM UP”!
The AG tried. The appellate court refused to go along.
Absolutely! Bring charges and put out a arrest warrant. I don’t know if the AG is a Republican. At least try. Trump can’t pardon him for state crimes. 🇺🇸💯 Navy Veteran
Yes they are, it's an emergency hearing
Yep, apparently the state Attorney General's after him too 👍👍👍 keep the pressure on. He's pulling that crap that he did in Pennsylvania making people sign a petition to uphold the constitution. What a bunch of BS.
Elon needs to sign it also.
Lock him up if he enters Wisconsin. He won’t be eligible for a pardon.
Lock him up or deport him.
Make Torture Great Again ... Where are those dunking stools the Pilgrims used to execute witches.
They're called waterboards now. The dunking stools are the ones with the clown perched on them and you try to hit the target with a baseball to send him waterward.
Don’t we deport foreign nationals who break the law?
Seems to me the best place would be El Salvador! WI cannot sidestep this, we must SUPPORT the prosecutors, and STAND with the investigators!
Lock him up. Game over.
LOCK HIM UP!
And if he is charged by the state as he should, then tRump and his cronies can’t change that - correct?
While I am sure they would concoct something to favor him, the Presidential Pardon power only allows pardons for “crimes committed against the United States” so you are right.
If it is a state crime, trump can’t stop it. Although l’m sure he will bribe someone. If it is federal, trump can stop it.
Correct!
He can always withhold federal funding.
Well - he could try, however I believe the Governors will push back as best they can (like Governors Wes Moore, Janet Mills, Matt Meyer, Tina Kotek… as examples…)
Don’t let Musk buy your vote. Don’t sell your soul to the devil.
I bet you could win his million dollars and then vote blue anyways.
That's right, get out and vote Susan Crawford, as if your life depends on it. Offer to drive other people to vote too.
Florida....please don't sell out your state and country for Musk's dirty, filthy money. It will ultimately come back to bite you, because Trump and Musk don't care about you. If they did, they wouldn't be trying to buy your vote. They would be helping families solve their everyday issues. Buying your vote only makes them more powerful and richer....not you. Selling your vote is selling your soul to Trump and Musk. They are the devil incarnate.
I read an article yesterday where the last $1 million cheque was given to musk staff member. So was it a con to get people to vote?
Watch: "Elon Tries To HIDE EVIDENCE, After Being Caught By Dems", on YouTube. (Tennessee Brando)......
https://youtu.be/cCqVYqBeMd4?si=bonRSA9SA7-gQMoB
This needs to be stopped trying to buy the election again thinks he will succeed twice. Make sure your votes get recorded folks. Remember trump has said that musk helped him win the last election.
And musk won’t intervene with his money
Exactly. Please see Election Truth Alliance for verifiable proof that musk hacked the last election allowing trump to win. They have a petition to demand a recount.
What safeguards does the voters have now to be sure their votes are counted.
Already voted by mail! Go Crawford!
“Cuts by the U.S. Department of Education and Department of Agriculture could cost the School District of Janesville more than $10 million.”
This is about only one school district, out of the MANY in Wisconsin…
What’s happening is SO wrong.
Agreed… ☹️ I will be there on Tuesday Voting Susan Crawford ‼️
Donated to her cause and praying she wins!
Yay! Please offer to drive other people if needed.
Wisconsin is not for sale!
Schimel is incompetent and lacks in the integrity department.
Judge Susan Crawford is the right choice for Wisconsin!
Since Brad Schimel is the candidate, I feel like it’s fair to ask him what he thinks about it so we can watch him lie through his teeth & make his corruption more obvious
I agree but look at the uneducated MAGA cultists that don’t know lies when they’re clearly in their face and lack decency to stand up for truth. 🙄
Decent Americans can vote and outnumber maga.
Trump ran on hatred, cruelty and racism, therefore I have zero sympathy for those people who voted for the Liar in Chief.
They are actually complaining because Trump didn’t lower prices, but increased the prices. And, they are surprised? What morons!
Voter stupidity put us in this position , over the price of eggs and grocery's !? We are so much more than eggs and groceries . M.A.G.A. was a buzz word for lies, division , hatred and destruction of our government . What has this man done for the middle class since taking office. Nothing ! Trying to turn our country into a dictatorship, where those at the top have everything to gain while the rest of us are pushed into a deep poverty . That's what dictators do .
Well said!!!
They aren't just stupid, they're dishonest. They are fine with the Felon lying & cheating & abusing power when they think it benefits them, but they somehow think nothing applies to them, that they won't be cheated by a con that made his lack of ethnics perfectly clear. They think they can have it both ways & that never works, when someone shows how they treat people, they WILL do it to you.