Our government is no longer of the people, by the people, and for the people. Our government was bought by an immigrant from South Africa, who happens to be very wealthy and was able to bye enough morons, starting with the president, to turn against their own country all for the love of money. The root of all that is Evi…
Our government is no longer of the people, by the people, and for the people. Our government was bought by an immigrant from South Africa, who happens to be very wealthy and was able to bye enough morons, starting with the president, to turn against their own country all for the love of money. The root of all that is Evil. The SignalGate debacle has proven that these people are the new definition of DEI, Dictator Entered Idiots.
We need to take our government back from them before it’s too late. The Democrats have to start showing us that they are the party for the ordinary citizens.
Start shopping Local Mom and Pop stores and boycott billionaire corporations. That is the best form of protest.
The government is not a business. It’s a creation to keep the citizens safe and secure from tyranny.
Boycotted Amazon, Facebook, Walmart, Toyota, Ford, etc., anyone supporting the regime. The list is getting long. I shop a few stores locally and boycott all who have proven to support the take down of America.
I'm chronically ill and confined to my home. I find that shopping on Etsy buying handmade goods is a good option for me. Also, I use Amazon as a shopping resource. I search Amazon and when I find something, I'll google it and usually the maker has a website of their own, then I'll buy the item from them.
Walmart is one of the companies with the most workers on SNAP assistance and Medicaid. They rake in billions and pay peanuts. They rely on the government to subsidize their workers, and probably complain about welfare queens and all this garbage.
Yes, do. Used to spend $100/mo. with them. Now I use Instacart & Aldi (German grocery chain has stores here in the U.S.). Food is cleaner, no chemicals, cheaper than WM, and new Customers get $20 off and no delivery fee. 🐈
Walmart destroyed the mom-and-pop small businesses in America. When a store wasn't doing well, they shuttered it leaving all those people whose Main Streets had shuttered to fend for themselves. NEVER WALMART!
I’m not defending Walmart, but I think Amazon did more damage to mom and pop stores. We should focus on them first. Yes we should boycott Walmart but Amazon is a bigger threat.
Really??? Who the fuck are you?The "regime"? Make a phone call today....use Spotify...Grubhub. fill up car with monopoly gas....use a credit card...buy a record,,,,watch Netflix... Fuck u ear bud apple phone warriors... You would not last a fucking day without your phone being charged... What a bunch of bullshit!!!
Verizon with 5 year old phone. Drive very little outside work, then only at local stations, no credit cards that aren't paid off. If they don't f... up credit cards this week, I make 1 to 5 percent to use it. No Ear buds. No Apple. Talking to MAGATTS is bullshit, but made an exception for you. Nazi =MAGA.
You are fucking deranged quasi liberal piece of rat shit... Can you read....? If you have credit cards you are paying money to oligarch billionaires... I have been a Democrat since before you were masturbating... It is always the same thing with you assole fuckers: If all do not agree with you... you think they are Trumpers..fuck u
Masters in Education, degrees in political science and economics. Too bad most will not be able to afford it. Truly, a Democrat? Really? Like a Schumer, Fetterman, Newsom Democrat? Lmao.
The Democrats have ALWAYS been "the party for the ordinary citizens". I'm afraid that if you still don't know this yet, you may be part of the problem...
The Biden/Harris administration had a stellar record, which makes all nonpartisan studies rank it at the very top of all US administrations.
The only way to have a government FOR the people is to have a government BY the people. If we don't do our homework and inform ourselves, we can never have a thriving democracy.
In case you'd disagree: any concrete example of something that Democrats do or did and that would NOT be "for ordinary citizens"?
Well, Bill C pardoned Richy Rich just as he was leaving office, so Clinton cd have a nice Presidential Library. Monica Lewinsky. And the whole NAFTA and Moms Off Welfare things. Not a good look for the Clintons. Have to pick your battles.
Obama let off the whole rape culture of Wall Street off in 2009, and look what they did with the pass -- bought up every home & condo in the country & now Jr. and family will never afford a home.
Shall we discuss Unions and how Republicans despise unions and why? Thought not.
After Obama was elected, but BEFORE he was sworn in, the Bush Admin did not quite know what to do and Henry Paulson, the Treasury Secretary, wanted nearly 1 trillion dollars with no strings attached to bail out the banks. Obama was asked to join the conversations in the FALL of 2008, but he did not have any say in what was finally put together - Emergency Economic Stabilization Act of 2008.
Obama wasn't sworn in until January of 2009 and had no say whatsoever in how this was done and was branded with it because it was rolled out partially during the beginning of his presidency. Henry Paulson took that 900 billion dollars that he was given of the tax payers money and put Lehman brothers out of business, bailed out Bank of America, and gave money outright to other wall street ignoramuses who played roulette with our money and lost.
That being said (unless my memory fails me), that was actually a bipartisan bill. Which does make sense. If we've learned anything from the Great Depression, it's that not bailing them out when they all fail, merely out of moral indignation and a thirst for vengeance, only ends up making things much much worse for the 99%. That's because letting them all fail at the same time would have resulted in an even worse economy, with even higher unemployment and an even longer recovery period (which would have been even more expensive). So it's not as if there was any choice here...
Unfortunately, the whole episode has been massively "politicized" and then use to criticize both Obama and the GOP. For once, the GOP actually did something right here though...
Just highlights #Robert Reich's point, the Rich will ALWAYS look out for their own and protect POWER at whatever cost to others. Witness the Budget Reconciliation Bill today. And there WAS a choice. Congress cd hv refunded the fraud & theft right back to the homeowners who all lost their shirts & sent the bankers to JAIL.
Plus - giving all that taxpayer money to the big banks to buy out the little ones and consolidate a bigger share made me sick! The "how are you going to spend it?" question was never answered until it was all spent. Here is one study: https://www.levyinstitute.org/pubs/wp_698.pdf
Christ. You hv to be a fulltime attorney to keep track of all the graft being done in Washington & in the States. I will donate to ProPublica & thank them for their diligence. I want to watch a damn movie. 🐕
That's all irrelevant. This wasn't about moral revenge or siding with big banks. This was merely about not making the same mistake as in 1929 and cause a Great Depression, that's all. And those were actually the only options on the table anyhow.
the whole rape culture is in the current administration, starting with a convicted 34 ct felon and adjudicated sexual assaulter. He's old, ugly, dumb, incoherent, A pathalogical liar, A conman, A loser, A toddler who never changes his diaper, smells, golf's all the time, doesn't know wtf is going on in his ignant, uneducated farce of an administration.
Engage with Maga?? Fuck you and Fuck all Maga! No fucking way I want to engage with these traitorous fucks! These disgusting pigs voted for an adjudicated rapist and 34 time convicted felon, fraud, cheat, liar, and on and on. These people are the scum of the earth! Their parents failed them. These people are moral scumbags that can somehow go through the mental gymnastics to vote for that piece of shit? I only had three people in my world that were Felon supporters, I flushed all 3 of those pieces of shit down the toilet. Engage with MAGA? Never going to happen!
And yet, the only way to have a real, thriving democracy is to STOP demonizing fellow citizens, learn to see that in the end, most of them are just decent, hard-working people too - albeit people who have been living in an alternative facts universe for often decades and decades already.
Fascism vitally NEEDS us divided, hating one another and refusing to have real, respectful debates with one another.
It is complex, yes, we must all stand united as they seek us in-fighting as fighting laterally drains us from fighting bottom to top...AND yes, they have all been brainwashed for years with propaganda, and having conversations with those who voted for Trump might be worthwhile. Yet, delving into hard-line MAGA [racist bigots who agree with the disgusting beliefs touted by said administration] territory seems like a huge energy burn when we are all already fatigued. Seems that ship has sailed and better to pivot our attention to community strengthening and building the resistance. I grew up in the south, were the MAGA-type mentality has always been the norm and all my family falls in line with the horrendous rhetoric....I can say it is a waste of time and at this point, let the MANY republicans who have crossed party lines to stand against this administration do that sort of work to convince and convert...we have other matters to tend to! IMHO
Scum like Peter Tucker are just trolls. Creatures like Peter Tucker prove why inbreeding is so bad. I love fucking with these idiots! They think they are so smart spewing Fox and The Felon’s propaganda.
You are a fucking moron... that is exactly why Democrats keep losing.. You missed the point again,,, Democrats will never win unless they convert MAGA people . It does no good to talk aboult how fucked Trump is... Th,ey know that and they lov e to hate what he hates
You are the fucking moron! They lose because Magats are morons! You heard the saying, “If you could reason with a Trump supporter they would not be a Trump Supporter”. I love all the YouTube videos showing these fucking idiots regretting their vote because they are getting Fucked by the felon and his actions. They only voted for that criminal because they thought they would hurt the people on the other side. These people, and I include you, are hateful motherfuckers! I hope they all get the the suffering they voted for. I hope they lose their farms, their businesses, their benefits. This is what these assholes wanted for the left. Brings joy to my heart to see these Magafucks whining and crying that they are losing it all because of their vote for that criminal. Dumbasses voted for their own destruction! And, I’m not talking about how fucked up the Felon is, I’m talking about how fucked up you are!
First of all, the election results show that Trump has about the smallest margin in history, and that with only 200,000 more votes today, Harris would be president, and we'd have an administration that would be building on the successes of the previous one - a government FOR and by THE PEOPLE.
Secondly, when you get a whopping 35,000 people at a rally in a non-election year, you'd be out of your mind to stop your tour. Such highly successful rallies, in March of year one of a new administration... that proves that there is high demand for tours like this. And whether you like it or not, progressives are Americans too. They have the right to make their voices and arguments heard. If there's anything they say and you disagree with, just tell us what and what your counterarguments are.
Third, many Trump voters voted for AOC. That's how she won the election in the first place. So either you haven't clearly listened to their rally speeches yet or it's YOU who are thinking in "antiquated and polarizing" ways.
Finally, I listened to some of the speeches on these tours. What they accuse Trump of is simply true, and the solutions they propose are supported by the vast majority of the American people - including a majority of GOP voters.
Conclusion: rightwing media have painted Bernie and AOC as "extremists" while their program is entirely centrist in any non-fascist country. The only reason why the US is lagging behind Europe, when it comes to things like education levels, health and healthcare levels, the social safety net etc. is because in the US too many people lack basic political literacy and don't know how the democratic process in DC works - combined, of course, with the greedy GOP's Citizens United ruling that allowed billionaires to buy elections and now an entire government.
I do agree with you on one thing: Newsome is right to talk with the idols of the MAGA world. But he urgently needs to DEBATE them rather than let them spew the worst falsehoods without any pushback!
Gavin "Vichy" Newsome! There it is all laid out! Peter's revealed himself! Let's ask about how California has handled the illegal sweeping of homeless off the streets and into God knows what deprivation conditions, Newsome is part of the problem Peter and so are you. But then you let us all know that already with just a few words
Nice try, but after his moronic choices with his "great!new!" Podcast (Kirk? Bannon? REALLY??? As though that would bring any of the trumpists over to our side as opposed to helping inculcate swing voters over to the side of the fascists) I'm labeling Newsome as "Vichy" for being an undeniable COLLABORATOR.
As for Soylent Green style removal of the "inconvenient" homeless in CA, start here, & then bother to do some reading of your own.
Apart from that, FYI: Vichy was convinced that dictatorships are much better than a democracy, as system of governance, and that Jews are vermin that needs to be systematically rounded up and exterminated.
You are dishonoring the victims of Vichy and Nazism if you even for a second imagine that a DEMOCRATIC Governor could somehow be comparable to it. Read a history book!
And DEBATING neofascists is THE most democratic way of defeating them. So no, that is and will never be "collaborating". The most effective, non-violent way to get rid of fascism while it is being installed (and it usually takes a decade before that job is finished) is and has always been to directly talk with people who believe that fascism is a good idea, and then prove them wrong. Newsome clearly needs to hone his debating skills a little, especially when it comes to the proving wrong part. On the other hand, Trump voters are so deep into fake news by now that first leaning into their world might not be a bad strategy.
Anyhow, it's clear that his goal is NOT to speed up the installation of fascism and destruction of democracy, it's the exact opposite.
If you cannot see that, again, read a history book.
Talking TO who? Kirk & Bannon??? That's not doing anything to relieve the infection of trump as in the brains of his followers, and while I won't waste time showing you the #s tattooed on the flesh of my relatives who actually survived the camps that Bannon and Kirk and his ilk are looking forward to building AGAIN, I wouldn't want to inconvenience you so instead I'll say youre dishonoring the humanity of every homeless person that's been swept up in one of these raids that are done under HIS governorship for the benefit and enrichment of contractors and real estate interests and not the homeless who are their victims, whether he pushes the button or not. So I'm sorry if I'm getting in the way of of your burgeoning career working on the Newsome presidential campaign, but you're a SHILL, and nothing more.
On the contrary, it's absolutely vital. "Know thy enemy", remember? Fact is, neofascism (just like its original version) is a real IDEOLOGY. That means that there is a logic behind it, and it also means that (whether we like it or not), the people who strongly believe in this ideology and fight for it do so because they sincerely believe that that is the only way to "save humanity". In other words, their underlying intentions are GOOD.
Secondly, only AFTER we learn to see that can we start thinking about their arguments, and then refute them one after the other. Again, there is NO way to defeat an ideology that is a non-violent way and that doesn't use real, respectful debates as its main tool.
And if you don't want to end up with more tattooed relatives in the future, you HAVE to be willing to stop demonizing fellow citizens because of the potential harm of their actions, and first learn to listen to them.
It's precisely the refusal to demonize The Other that characterizes the difference between democracy and fascism as a "vision for the future".
Obviously we's gots ourselves someone who always has to have the last word, atop being the very embodiment of the TL/DR affliction. Doesn't make you any less a Newsom shill, & I'm done wasting time screaming into your wind-machine set to "high." Some of us have actual jobs, unlike internet drones such as yourself (& so many trump flacks, so consider the company you keep) & consequently I personally have little interest in continuing this swirl in which you show no flexibility, & which the other readers of this thread have long since dropped off into somnolence. Buy a clue.
Actually, doing all of the above is needed: individual actions (imagine if every Harris voter used that financial power even a little, every day!) AND the more systemic actions through the courts, via protests, and of course voting. AND we do absolutely need to broaden the populace who understand the issues and will join together to get rid of this plague on the US. True MAGA is a an unbelievable ~30%? Then we need more than just passionate Democrats.
Good morning Ben,
Our government is no longer of the people, by the people, and for the people. Our government was bought by an immigrant from South Africa, who happens to be very wealthy and was able to bye enough morons, starting with the president, to turn against their own country all for the love of money. The root of all that is Evil. The SignalGate debacle has proven that these people are the new definition of DEI, Dictator Entered Idiots.
We need to take our government back from them before it’s too late. The Democrats have to start showing us that they are the party for the ordinary citizens.
Start shopping Local Mom and Pop stores and boycott billionaire corporations. That is the best form of protest.
The government is not a business. It’s a creation to keep the citizens safe and secure from tyranny.
Boycotted Amazon, Facebook, Walmart, Toyota, Ford, etc., anyone supporting the regime. The list is getting long. I shop a few stores locally and boycott all who have proven to support the take down of America.
I forgot Tesla. Amazon and Tesla are the worst
I'm chronically ill and confined to my home. I find that shopping on Etsy buying handmade goods is a good option for me. Also, I use Amazon as a shopping resource. I search Amazon and when I find something, I'll google it and usually the maker has a website of their own, then I'll buy the item from them.
I buy Etsy and do the same with Amazon, research and buy direct from company or locally.
Me too. But try AlibabaExpress too. Many small, women owned shops from whole world. Fabulous stuff and helps these women's children too. 🐱
I understand the heiress of Walmart, Christy Walton, took out a page ad https://fortune.com/2025/03/25/walmart-heiress-christy-walton-nonparitsan-advert/
So I am kind of wondering about whether I should boycott Walmart all together or what.
Walmart started screwing people as soon as Sam Walton passed away. Boycotted since 2011. You can do it. :)
Exactly right. I haven't been in a Walmart for 35 years. I have not missed it for 1 second.
Walmart is one of the companies with the most workers on SNAP assistance and Medicaid. They rake in billions and pay peanuts. They rely on the government to subsidize their workers, and probably complain about welfare queens and all this garbage.
https://www.sanders.senate.gov/in-the-news/walmart-and-mcdonalds-have-the-most-workers-on-food-stamps-and-medicaid-new-study-shows/#:~:text=Walmart%20was%20one%20of%20the,percent%20of%20the%20state's%20total.
As long as they hire part time workers they don't have to pay them benefits.
Absolutely you should! I boycotted Walmart at least a decade ago for their terrible labor practices.
Yes, do. Used to spend $100/mo. with them. Now I use Instacart & Aldi (German grocery chain has stores here in the U.S.). Food is cleaner, no chemicals, cheaper than WM, and new Customers get $20 off and no delivery fee. 🐈
Walmart destroyed the mom-and-pop small businesses in America. When a store wasn't doing well, they shuttered it leaving all those people whose Main Streets had shuttered to fend for themselves. NEVER WALMART!
I’m not defending Walmart, but I think Amazon did more damage to mom and pop stores. We should focus on them first. Yes we should boycott Walmart but Amazon is a bigger threat.
Boycott all! It’s working!!
Really??? Who the fuck are you?The "regime"? Make a phone call today....use Spotify...Grubhub. fill up car with monopoly gas....use a credit card...buy a record,,,,watch Netflix... Fuck u ear bud apple phone warriors... You would not last a fucking day without your phone being charged... What a bunch of bullshit!!!
Verizon with 5 year old phone. Drive very little outside work, then only at local stations, no credit cards that aren't paid off. If they don't f... up credit cards this week, I make 1 to 5 percent to use it. No Ear buds. No Apple. Talking to MAGATTS is bullshit, but made an exception for you. Nazi =MAGA.
You are fucking deranged quasi liberal piece of rat shit... Can you read....? If you have credit cards you are paying money to oligarch billionaires... I have been a Democrat since before you were masturbating... It is always the same thing with you assole fuckers: If all do not agree with you... you think they are Trumpers..fuck u
You are so good with words, must commend you.
Tone it down!!
Masters in Education, degrees in political science and economics. Too bad most will not be able to afford it. Truly, a Democrat? Really? Like a Schumer, Fetterman, Newsom Democrat? Lmao.
Shall we continue as I believe I will survive better than you.
You are on. 🐱
I will show you to the door. Pls come back when yr head is removed from yr ass. Kind regards, Grandmere.
The Democrats have ALWAYS been "the party for the ordinary citizens". I'm afraid that if you still don't know this yet, you may be part of the problem...
The Biden/Harris administration had a stellar record, which makes all nonpartisan studies rank it at the very top of all US administrations.
The only way to have a government FOR the people is to have a government BY the people. If we don't do our homework and inform ourselves, we can never have a thriving democracy.
In case you'd disagree: any concrete example of something that Democrats do or did and that would NOT be "for ordinary citizens"?
Well, Bill C pardoned Richy Rich just as he was leaving office, so Clinton cd have a nice Presidential Library. Monica Lewinsky. And the whole NAFTA and Moms Off Welfare things. Not a good look for the Clintons. Have to pick your battles.
Obama let off the whole rape culture of Wall Street off in 2009, and look what they did with the pass -- bought up every home & condo in the country & now Jr. and family will never afford a home.
Shall we discuss Unions and how Republicans despise unions and why? Thought not.
Okay, let's start with Obama. What do you mean by "let off the whole rape culture of Wall Street off in 2009" more precisely?
After Obama was elected, but BEFORE he was sworn in, the Bush Admin did not quite know what to do and Henry Paulson, the Treasury Secretary, wanted nearly 1 trillion dollars with no strings attached to bail out the banks. Obama was asked to join the conversations in the FALL of 2008, but he did not have any say in what was finally put together - Emergency Economic Stabilization Act of 2008.
Obama wasn't sworn in until January of 2009 and had no say whatsoever in how this was done and was branded with it because it was rolled out partially during the beginning of his presidency. Henry Paulson took that 900 billion dollars that he was given of the tax payers money and put Lehman brothers out of business, bailed out Bank of America, and gave money outright to other wall street ignoramuses who played roulette with our money and lost.
So, people can blame Obama for the bail outs in 2009 all they want, but he had nothing to do with that hot mess. And if my memory isn't good enough for you - check this out. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Emergency_Economic_Stabilization_Act_of_2008
https://news.wpcarey.asu.edu/20080924-paulson-and-bernankes-banking-bailout-devils-details
Oh yes I remember. And thanks for the link.
That being said (unless my memory fails me), that was actually a bipartisan bill. Which does make sense. If we've learned anything from the Great Depression, it's that not bailing them out when they all fail, merely out of moral indignation and a thirst for vengeance, only ends up making things much much worse for the 99%. That's because letting them all fail at the same time would have resulted in an even worse economy, with even higher unemployment and an even longer recovery period (which would have been even more expensive). So it's not as if there was any choice here...
Unfortunately, the whole episode has been massively "politicized" and then use to criticize both Obama and the GOP. For once, the GOP actually did something right here though...
Just highlights #Robert Reich's point, the Rich will ALWAYS look out for their own and protect POWER at whatever cost to others. Witness the Budget Reconciliation Bill today. And there WAS a choice. Congress cd hv refunded the fraud & theft right back to the homeowners who all lost their shirts & sent the bankers to JAIL.
Plus - giving all that taxpayer money to the big banks to buy out the little ones and consolidate a bigger share made me sick! The "how are you going to spend it?" question was never answered until it was all spent. Here is one study: https://www.levyinstitute.org/pubs/wp_698.pdf
ProPublica is still tracking it to this day! https://www.propublica.org/article/the-bailout-was-11-years-ago-were-still-tracking-every-penny
https://substack.com/@techiam
Christ. You hv to be a fulltime attorney to keep track of all the graft being done in Washington & in the States. I will donate to ProPublica & thank them for their diligence. I want to watch a damn movie. 🐕
That's all irrelevant. This wasn't about moral revenge or siding with big banks. This was merely about not making the same mistake as in 1929 and cause a Great Depression, that's all. And those were actually the only options on the table anyhow.
Just ask yourself: what would have happened next? Economically?
that's when they had balls and spines.
the whole rape culture is in the current administration, starting with a convicted 34 ct felon and adjudicated sexual assaulter. He's old, ugly, dumb, incoherent, A pathalogical liar, A conman, A loser, A toddler who never changes his diaper, smells, golf's all the time, doesn't know wtf is going on in his ignant, uneducated farce of an administration.
AlibabaExpress.com has everything you could ever need, including survival food, lockers, and bang, bang thingys.
Morons Are Governing America. (Stole this from another Meidas comment)
What would YOU suggest, Peter?
That is, if you don't already think trump is doing a fine, fine job. . .
Engage with Maga?? Fuck you and Fuck all Maga! No fucking way I want to engage with these traitorous fucks! These disgusting pigs voted for an adjudicated rapist and 34 time convicted felon, fraud, cheat, liar, and on and on. These people are the scum of the earth! Their parents failed them. These people are moral scumbags that can somehow go through the mental gymnastics to vote for that piece of shit? I only had three people in my world that were Felon supporters, I flushed all 3 of those pieces of shit down the toilet. Engage with MAGA? Never going to happen!
And yet, the only way to have a real, thriving democracy is to STOP demonizing fellow citizens, learn to see that in the end, most of them are just decent, hard-working people too - albeit people who have been living in an alternative facts universe for often decades and decades already.
Fascism vitally NEEDS us divided, hating one another and refusing to have real, respectful debates with one another.
Don't let them win without a fight!
It is complex, yes, we must all stand united as they seek us in-fighting as fighting laterally drains us from fighting bottom to top...AND yes, they have all been brainwashed for years with propaganda, and having conversations with those who voted for Trump might be worthwhile. Yet, delving into hard-line MAGA [racist bigots who agree with the disgusting beliefs touted by said administration] territory seems like a huge energy burn when we are all already fatigued. Seems that ship has sailed and better to pivot our attention to community strengthening and building the resistance. I grew up in the south, were the MAGA-type mentality has always been the norm and all my family falls in line with the horrendous rhetoric....I can say it is a waste of time and at this point, let the MANY republicans who have crossed party lines to stand against this administration do that sort of work to convince and convert...we have other matters to tend to! IMHO
MAGA = Nazi
I would not engage with Peter Tucker. I have reported him. He is just spewing hate and lies.
Scum like Peter Tucker are just trolls. Creatures like Peter Tucker prove why inbreeding is so bad. I love fucking with these idiots! They think they are so smart spewing Fox and The Felon’s propaganda.
That is exactly what all Magats do! Lies and hate, the only things that come from their filthy mouths.
You are a fucking moron... that is exactly why Democrats keep losing.. You missed the point again,,, Democrats will never win unless they convert MAGA people . It does no good to talk aboult how fucked Trump is... Th,ey know that and they lov e to hate what he hates
You are the fucking moron! They lose because Magats are morons! You heard the saying, “If you could reason with a Trump supporter they would not be a Trump Supporter”. I love all the YouTube videos showing these fucking idiots regretting their vote because they are getting Fucked by the felon and his actions. They only voted for that criminal because they thought they would hurt the people on the other side. These people, and I include you, are hateful motherfuckers! I hope they all get the the suffering they voted for. I hope they lose their farms, their businesses, their benefits. This is what these assholes wanted for the left. Brings joy to my heart to see these Magafucks whining and crying that they are losing it all because of their vote for that criminal. Dumbasses voted for their own destruction! And, I’m not talking about how fucked up the Felon is, I’m talking about how fucked up you are!
First of all, the election results show that Trump has about the smallest margin in history, and that with only 200,000 more votes today, Harris would be president, and we'd have an administration that would be building on the successes of the previous one - a government FOR and by THE PEOPLE.
Secondly, when you get a whopping 35,000 people at a rally in a non-election year, you'd be out of your mind to stop your tour. Such highly successful rallies, in March of year one of a new administration... that proves that there is high demand for tours like this. And whether you like it or not, progressives are Americans too. They have the right to make their voices and arguments heard. If there's anything they say and you disagree with, just tell us what and what your counterarguments are.
Third, many Trump voters voted for AOC. That's how she won the election in the first place. So either you haven't clearly listened to their rally speeches yet or it's YOU who are thinking in "antiquated and polarizing" ways.
Finally, I listened to some of the speeches on these tours. What they accuse Trump of is simply true, and the solutions they propose are supported by the vast majority of the American people - including a majority of GOP voters.
Conclusion: rightwing media have painted Bernie and AOC as "extremists" while their program is entirely centrist in any non-fascist country. The only reason why the US is lagging behind Europe, when it comes to things like education levels, health and healthcare levels, the social safety net etc. is because in the US too many people lack basic political literacy and don't know how the democratic process in DC works - combined, of course, with the greedy GOP's Citizens United ruling that allowed billionaires to buy elections and now an entire government.
I do agree with you on one thing: Newsome is right to talk with the idols of the MAGA world. But he urgently needs to DEBATE them rather than let them spew the worst falsehoods without any pushback!
FYI: you forgot to add WHY you believe that. Any idea?
peter rooter, that's his name. just flush all your troubles down the drain.
rotten peter, rotten peter.🖕
Gavin "Vichy" Newsome! There it is all laid out! Peter's revealed himself! Let's ask about how California has handled the illegal sweeping of homeless off the streets and into God knows what deprivation conditions, Newsome is part of the problem Peter and so are you. But then you let us all know that already with just a few words
How about we all learn how to correctly spell the name of the Governor of California - it's Newsom - no E on the end his last name
I call him a MAGATT. Just like Schumer.
FYI: Newsome is 100% pro democracy. That's the opposite of Vichy, which was fascist, remember?
As to the homeless issue that you're referring to: any link to back up your claim?
Nice try, but after his moronic choices with his "great!new!" Podcast (Kirk? Bannon? REALLY??? As though that would bring any of the trumpists over to our side as opposed to helping inculcate swing voters over to the side of the fascists) I'm labeling Newsome as "Vichy" for being an undeniable COLLABORATOR.
As for Soylent Green style removal of the "inconvenient" homeless in CA, start here, & then bother to do some reading of your own.
https://www.kqed.org/news/12018466/protesters-sf-oakland-la-denounce-rise-encampment-sweeps
https://calmatters.org/newsletter/encampment-sweeps-newsletter/
https://www.mercurynews.com/2025/01/19/homeless-sweeps-san-jose-oakland-san-francisco/
https://oaklandside.org/2024/02/14/supreme-court-grants-pass-oakland-homeless/
Thanks for the link.
Apart from that, FYI: Vichy was convinced that dictatorships are much better than a democracy, as system of governance, and that Jews are vermin that needs to be systematically rounded up and exterminated.
You are dishonoring the victims of Vichy and Nazism if you even for a second imagine that a DEMOCRATIC Governor could somehow be comparable to it. Read a history book!
And DEBATING neofascists is THE most democratic way of defeating them. So no, that is and will never be "collaborating". The most effective, non-violent way to get rid of fascism while it is being installed (and it usually takes a decade before that job is finished) is and has always been to directly talk with people who believe that fascism is a good idea, and then prove them wrong. Newsome clearly needs to hone his debating skills a little, especially when it comes to the proving wrong part. On the other hand, Trump voters are so deep into fake news by now that first leaning into their world might not be a bad strategy.
Anyhow, it's clear that his goal is NOT to speed up the installation of fascism and destruction of democracy, it's the exact opposite.
If you cannot see that, again, read a history book.
Talking TO who? Kirk & Bannon??? That's not doing anything to relieve the infection of trump as in the brains of his followers, and while I won't waste time showing you the #s tattooed on the flesh of my relatives who actually survived the camps that Bannon and Kirk and his ilk are looking forward to building AGAIN, I wouldn't want to inconvenience you so instead I'll say youre dishonoring the humanity of every homeless person that's been swept up in one of these raids that are done under HIS governorship for the benefit and enrichment of contractors and real estate interests and not the homeless who are their victims, whether he pushes the button or not. So I'm sorry if I'm getting in the way of of your burgeoning career working on the Newsome presidential campaign, but you're a SHILL, and nothing more.
On the contrary, it's absolutely vital. "Know thy enemy", remember? Fact is, neofascism (just like its original version) is a real IDEOLOGY. That means that there is a logic behind it, and it also means that (whether we like it or not), the people who strongly believe in this ideology and fight for it do so because they sincerely believe that that is the only way to "save humanity". In other words, their underlying intentions are GOOD.
Secondly, only AFTER we learn to see that can we start thinking about their arguments, and then refute them one after the other. Again, there is NO way to defeat an ideology that is a non-violent way and that doesn't use real, respectful debates as its main tool.
And if you don't want to end up with more tattooed relatives in the future, you HAVE to be willing to stop demonizing fellow citizens because of the potential harm of their actions, and first learn to listen to them.
It's precisely the refusal to demonize The Other that characterizes the difference between democracy and fascism as a "vision for the future".
Obviously we's gots ourselves someone who always has to have the last word, atop being the very embodiment of the TL/DR affliction. Doesn't make you any less a Newsom shill, & I'm done wasting time screaming into your wind-machine set to "high." Some of us have actual jobs, unlike internet drones such as yourself (& so many trump flacks, so consider the company you keep) & consequently I personally have little interest in continuing this swirl in which you show no flexibility, & which the other readers of this thread have long since dropped off into somnolence. Buy a clue.
AOC and Bernie had a rally in Greeley CO, a place so right wing they have wanted to secede and join Wyoming. They pulled in 10,000+ people.
That’s not preaching to the choir, that’s pissed off people showing up.
Maggot.
Peter Fucker will be rooted out.
I report all nasty comments. He’s a Nazi troll.
Do you know how to block MAGATTS? I will tell you. :)
Actually, doing all of the above is needed: individual actions (imagine if every Harris voter used that financial power even a little, every day!) AND the more systemic actions through the courts, via protests, and of course voting. AND we do absolutely need to broaden the populace who understand the issues and will join together to get rid of this plague on the US. True MAGA is a an unbelievable ~30%? Then we need more than just passionate Democrats.
Exactly, well said!
All right peter, let us know where to send the condolence card since I guess you'll be jumping off the roof tomorrow?
Oh it's working my foolish friend
Thanks for opening up your big mouth, now the whole world knows you’re an idiot. Misery needs company, you should crawl into bed with a magat.
You're not worth wasting words upon.