I'm so pissed off that the rest of the country, who didn't drink the Kool-aid, has to suffer because the Traitor Repugnantcans swallowed gallons of his total BS!
Depends on what your morals are. Even not having any is a moral position. Think in terms of 0 to 100. Jimmy Carter is 99.9999. Mump is .000000000000000000000001.
I have a friend, a former Canadian I am ashamed to say, who voted for Trump because she wants America to be white....or at least for America to be a place where whites are ascendant. She liked the deportation plan and the hope of a sealed border.
I certainly don't feel the same about her after hearing that. She also repeated that MAGA line about not liking Kamala Harris' "cackle"...that really bothered me. Is using that term racist, sexist or both?
For many of them, their thoughts were, and even are, no longer their own. As I just commented, the manipulation of their ability to perceive fact has been a decades-long project of right-wing mercenary media, in the propaganda business for nothing more brutal than exploitation of those who got sucked into the cult unknowingly, and whise brains can't quite understand that they are even more victimized than they thought -- manipulated by the long-term effort to take over their perceptions.
I agree re disinformation and propaganda, but 49% of us voters DID NOT believe the bullshit. We were equally exposed, yet we chose truth, justice, fairness in the workplace, bodily autonomy for women, empathy and try to build community. So I ask, why didn’t we choose to drink the drugged koolaid of MAGA? Many of these are not low information voters. I believe they choose based on grievances, they blame the victims for their current circumstances rather than looking at corporate America. Do I feel sorry for them? No. Are some of them good people? They may not be axe murderers, but they have deep prejudices, believe bad shit shouldn’t be happening to them, and/or refuse to think for themselves.
All Trump voters need to look at their motives, of course. True, there are the truly cynical who literally bet against themselves as Americans, as well as against American democracy, out of greed, out of fear, or just out of antipathy towards other options, without considering the ramifications.
But there are some people, who for whatever reason, usually psychological, are more vulnerable than others to manipulation by sociopaths such as Trump. That is why con men, for example, can pick out of a crowded room who will be an easy mark and who won't. If they can find those at a psychological low-point in their lives, or who feel otherwise that they have been betrayed or treated unfairly, they make the best marks.
MAGA emerged because for decades now, there has been steady, creeping spread of ideas on the right which, under the guise of American individualism and an unrealistic idealization of the so-called "free market" economy, argued against that investment in our future, in all kinds of ways.
That is one reason why, to my mind, those among the least politically active or aware, as well as those who either consciously or by default chose personal wealth over societal investment, share the blame for what has happened -- because It has always been incumbent upon all Americans to strengthen the fairness of our society -- if not out of a sense of social responsibility -- then for our own protection.
Not only "the rest of the country." i.e. MAGA voters , are to blame, as we are all suffering from years of Democrat passivity in the face of Mitch McConnell/Federalist Society treachery (ongoing passivity, still, -- ahem, Merrick Garland). How wrong have those Dems been who thought "the high road" would be a way around this political and governmental disaster. The failures to fight back began long ago.
Exactly. They had already decided to close their minds and hearts, only directly experienced pain and betrayal by their group or leader will make an impact.
All those who think they were hoodwinked, by Trump and minions, you lapped up his dripping lies. Minute by Minute. Day by day. You lapped it up like baby kittens. We told you so!
Yes, and wait until the "Trump 'hostages'" find out they're not [all] getting pardons. Think the infighting is bad now? It's going to be one hundred times worse once the thugs who get pardons are facing the vitriol of the ones who didn't. It will be one mel-of-a-hess. LOL 😂
I don't know. He has not been known to keep his promises to those who supported him in the past. We will just have to sit back & watch how this all plays out & how much they all start fighting each other. :(
It’s called critical thinking and they do not do it. If you read a book or get informed, then you know what the heck is going on in their sick world of oligarchy.. they cut their nose off to spite their face. Idiots.
Trump is as hypermasculine as an earthworm 🪱. FAFO! And Elon? ELON??? A super rich turd with neither soul nor the slightest of family values. Screw ‘em all.
They made him in their own image, not based on his behaviors. That’s why they sanewash his comments, why they never believed he was guilty, or that he would betray them.
Rumps “shiny” objects game plan of crazy talk ( Greenland, Panama, Gulf of America, Canada) while grifting every crack and crevice of OUR White House make anyone else angry?
Don't worry, the Gulf of Mexico isn't going to be the Gulf of America. I'd put money on at least one of his planned acquisitions bearing the made-up name of TRUMP.
Yes, his voters are beginning to see. I couldn’t understand why they believed him in the first place. Now we will all pay for their belief that he would lower food and rent prices. Total lies! We are in for a rough ride! I just hope we can put the brakes on him in the next election.
He doesn't get another election. 2 terms and this is his second term. The he goes bye bye, but what kind of damage will he leave behind. We are in for a rough 4 years
Yes, Anna, you're spot on. MAGA infighting (within the Hill and outside of it) dooms them. Even if Dumpty rides off to Boot Hill and we wind up with Vance we'll still be subject to "Presidential Elect Buddy" Elon Musk. Vance won't be any more $ucce$$ful in getting rid of him than Trump is!
Are you sure of that?? The bought supreme court found a lot of wiggle room in Article 14 and also regarding immunity. I wish I had that certainty still, but I don't anymore.
I've wondered whether that might be accomplished by some 2A loving father or mother or spouse or sibling whose kids or loved one harmed by Trump. When he was first elected, my book club agreed that if we were diagnosed with a terminal disease, we might volunteer - but the only weapons we had at hand were our library cards.
I shouldn't say this, but maybe he will croak and do us all a favor, but then we would have JD Vance. I think that would be a travesty. To stay in power, he would have to change the constitution and thats not going to be easy. There will be other elections and his time will be up. Lets hope he doesn't screw up the country beyond repair.
There is a good chance Donald will not complete his presidency. I think JD, as repugnant as he is, would be better as a) no one likes him, not even his own party, and more importantly b) he could not hold the MAGA base. I don't think anyone but Trump can do that. In spite of Don Jr.'s hopes and dreams on that score...
His voters were alright with others suffering is why they believed him. Trump campaigned on "us versus them" and his followers stupidly bought his line of BS hook, line, and sinker. Remember when he said he'd "Protect women ... whether they like it or not?"
He is a pervert, an adulterer, and a liar. Why would any thinking person believe him? The only reason is because of everything he promised to do to RINOS and his perceived "political enemies" they supported. Trump's theme of "us versus them" gave MAGA a false (flimsy) impression of security, protection, and--yes, "immunity" by Trump's definition.
"Do anything, and I'll protect you!" How many JAN6 families did he financially support? How many of their legal bills has he paid? When only a "select few" are pardoned, what will the response be? It's not good [for him and his legion of devils], and we can take that to the bank.
They are the duped stupids who never figured on being lied to and abandoned. They thought he would be their Cyrus. He is their Jeroboam aka The Great Betrayor.
IGNORANCE is NOT an excuse. They made their bed now they need to lie in it. I don’t feel any sympathy for them. The rest of us unfortunately will pay for their ignorance and stupidity. The time is over for sugar coating the truth.
There were/are educated, professional well to do people who are pure Maga. Most are Christian nationalists who are militantly anti abortion, anti LGBTQ - especially the Trans part. If Trump pisses on them and says it's raining, they will believe him.
I can tell you, women all over the world, are laughing at what Maga thinks is an example of masculinity. They best keep their maga mama happy because women in other countries don't want anything to do with those kind of so-called men.
I am single & the fact that men voted someone in office who has treated women like crap & is taking away women's rights says it all about how much their women mean to them. After 25 years being married, I am happy not to deal with that.
Christian Nationalists who say they believe in Jesus & follow the Bible but only vote according to their own interests. I have had experience & have a hard time being around them as they eroded my trust in thinking we were like minded & shared the same beliefs.
I'm so pissed off that the rest of the country, who didn't drink the Kool-aid, has to suffer because the Traitor Repugnantcans swallowed gallons of his total BS!
The only satisfaction will be watching thrm suffer too. I have no Sympathy for them at all.
Exactly
Bigger percentage of the us that didn’t vote for him.
What were these voters thinking? Believing?
I heard a Maga in a call in show say, "We don't want a moral leader. We want someone who will lower prices." 'Nuf said.
The statement about the moral leader has got to be the most pathetic one I have heard
Yeah. Who could ever think of Trump as a "moral leader"?
Depends on what your morals are. Even not having any is a moral position. Think in terms of 0 to 100. Jimmy Carter is 99.9999. Mump is .000000000000000000000001.
I have a friend, a former Canadian I am ashamed to say, who voted for Trump because she wants America to be white....or at least for America to be a place where whites are ascendant. She liked the deportation plan and the hope of a sealed border.
For your own peace of mind. It's time make that Former Canadian a Former Friend!
I certainly don't feel the same about her after hearing that. She also repeated that MAGA line about not liking Kamala Harris' "cackle"...that really bothered me. Is using that term racist, sexist or both?
You are referring to a racist as a "friend"??
Yes, there is really no going back after hearing stuff like that. She's more of an acquaintance now...
Don't you hate that? When someone says something like that, I lose total respect and/or affection for them.
Hah! And they will get NEITHER!!
At least they're honest. Too bad they're only getting half of what they wanted.
Being honest about their bigotry isn't the flex some might believe it to be.
I think mostly there were worried about the price of eggs.
The avian flu has the possibility of devastating egg and meat production…
For many of them, their thoughts were, and even are, no longer their own. As I just commented, the manipulation of their ability to perceive fact has been a decades-long project of right-wing mercenary media, in the propaganda business for nothing more brutal than exploitation of those who got sucked into the cult unknowingly, and whise brains can't quite understand that they are even more victimized than they thought -- manipulated by the long-term effort to take over their perceptions.
I agree re disinformation and propaganda, but 49% of us voters DID NOT believe the bullshit. We were equally exposed, yet we chose truth, justice, fairness in the workplace, bodily autonomy for women, empathy and try to build community. So I ask, why didn’t we choose to drink the drugged koolaid of MAGA? Many of these are not low information voters. I believe they choose based on grievances, they blame the victims for their current circumstances rather than looking at corporate America. Do I feel sorry for them? No. Are some of them good people? They may not be axe murderers, but they have deep prejudices, believe bad shit shouldn’t be happening to them, and/or refuse to think for themselves.
All Trump voters need to look at their motives, of course. True, there are the truly cynical who literally bet against themselves as Americans, as well as against American democracy, out of greed, out of fear, or just out of antipathy towards other options, without considering the ramifications.
But there are some people, who for whatever reason, usually psychological, are more vulnerable than others to manipulation by sociopaths such as Trump. That is why con men, for example, can pick out of a crowded room who will be an easy mark and who won't. If they can find those at a psychological low-point in their lives, or who feel otherwise that they have been betrayed or treated unfairly, they make the best marks.
MAGA emerged because for decades now, there has been steady, creeping spread of ideas on the right which, under the guise of American individualism and an unrealistic idealization of the so-called "free market" economy, argued against that investment in our future, in all kinds of ways.
That is one reason why, to my mind, those among the least politically active or aware, as well as those who either consciously or by default chose personal wealth over societal investment, share the blame for what has happened -- because It has always been incumbent upon all Americans to strengthen the fairness of our society -- if not out of a sense of social responsibility -- then for our own protection.
The bottom line is, our messaging did not work. Campaigning by spending a BILLION dollars in the 1980's paradigm did not win.
Michael Steele and Bryan Cohen talk it out, here: https://youtu.be/08ZCjACPV7s
It's not the substance, it's the venue and the delivery.
And that comment in and of itself is sad.
Unfortunately I have to agree with that… too many right wing echo chambers of disinformation and not enough exposure to this from the left.
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Thinking? Not! Believing? Everything!
I don't plan to forgive them.
Agree
Not only "the rest of the country." i.e. MAGA voters , are to blame, as we are all suffering from years of Democrat passivity in the face of Mitch McConnell/Federalist Society treachery (ongoing passivity, still, -- ahem, Merrick Garland). How wrong have those Dems been who thought "the high road" would be a way around this political and governmental disaster. The failures to fight back began long ago.
A great majority in this country have low IQ’s. That’s why this country is in decline. Idiocracy.
And not only the US will suffer from this election! His actions will de-stabilize the US and end de-stabilizing the whole western world!
Unfortunately they are dragging the rest of us along. I can’t tell you enough, I talked until I was blue in the face…. NO ONE WOULD LISTEN.
So here we are.. all on the titanic together.
Ditto
Exactly. They had already decided to close their minds and hearts, only directly experienced pain and betrayal by their group or leader will make an impact.
All those who think they were hoodwinked, by Trump and minions, you lapped up his dripping lies. Minute by Minute. Day by day. You lapped it up like baby kittens. We told you so!
Yes, and wait until the "Trump 'hostages'" find out they're not [all] getting pardons. Think the infighting is bad now? It's going to be one hundred times worse once the thugs who get pardons are facing the vitriol of the ones who didn't. It will be one mel-of-a-hess. LOL 😂
Magas will be eating each others lunch
They may not have lunch if fat boy gets his way.
Sadly, that would be one promise he would keep
I don't know. He has not been known to keep his promises to those who supported him in the past. We will just have to sit back & watch how this all plays out & how much they all start fighting each other. :(
No sympathy for anyone that voted for WEIRDO TRUMPTY DUMPTY!! Reap what you sowed!!!!
How do you feel about the 90 million eligible voters who didn't cast a ballot?
Because it was what they wanted to hear, or they twisted it into what they wanted to hear.
It’s called critical thinking and they do not do it. If you read a book or get informed, then you know what the heck is going on in their sick world of oligarchy.. they cut their nose off to spite their face. Idiots.
FYI, the saying is “cut off their nose to spite their face”
Thanks I changed it.
WEIRDOS!!
Trump is as hypermasculine as an earthworm 🪱. FAFO! And Elon? ELON??? A super rich turd with neither soul nor the slightest of family values. Screw ‘em all.
Exactly.
They made him in their own image, not based on his behaviors. That’s why they sanewash his comments, why they never believed he was guilty, or that he would betray them.
Rumps “shiny” objects game plan of crazy talk ( Greenland, Panama, Gulf of America, Canada) while grifting every crack and crevice of OUR White House make anyone else angry?
All distraction
While they rob our treasury and natural resources. No one can stop the grifting while they control the White House.
Don't worry, the Gulf of Mexico isn't going to be the Gulf of America. I'd put money on at least one of his planned acquisitions bearing the made-up name of TRUMP.
Bamboozled is the word for these folks…. Own it, wear it, stay on that side.
Yes, his voters are beginning to see. I couldn’t understand why they believed him in the first place. Now we will all pay for their belief that he would lower food and rent prices. Total lies! We are in for a rough ride! I just hope we can put the brakes on him in the next election.
He doesn't get another election. 2 terms and this is his second term. The he goes bye bye, but what kind of damage will he leave behind. We are in for a rough 4 years
I am referring to the midterm election in 2 years when we can take back the House and the Senate and stop his agenda.
A lot of really bad stuff can happen in two years.
The only silver lining is that MAGA and the GQP doesn't seem to be able to get much done in any time frame.
Yes, Anna, you're spot on. MAGA infighting (within the Hill and outside of it) dooms them. Even if Dumpty rides off to Boot Hill and we wind up with Vance we'll still be subject to "Presidential Elect Buddy" Elon Musk. Vance won't be any more $ucce$$ful in getting rid of him than Trump is!
I believe we have a chance to take back the House, but not the Senate. I don’t think enough flippable seats are available in the Senate in 2026.
Assuming there's more elections.
Are you sure of that?? The bought supreme court found a lot of wiggle room in Article 14 and also regarding immunity. I wish I had that certainty still, but I don't anymore.
Midterms may be able to stop the bleeding.. IF we have them. );
He said he wasn't leaving. Unless he goes out in a box, he'll refuse to leave and the GOP will back him.
I'll take him leaving in a box, please.
Amen.
Yeah! Like NOW!
I've wondered whether that might be accomplished by some 2A loving father or mother or spouse or sibling whose kids or loved one harmed by Trump. When he was first elected, my book club agreed that if we were diagnosed with a terminal disease, we might volunteer - but the only weapons we had at hand were our library cards.
But since WEIRDO TRUMPTY DUMPTY has immunity, watch him NEVER leave the WH!!! Then we're in ALOT MORE trouble than now!!!!
God help us!!
I shouldn't say this, but maybe he will croak and do us all a favor, but then we would have JD Vance. I think that would be a travesty. To stay in power, he would have to change the constitution and thats not going to be easy. There will be other elections and his time will be up. Lets hope he doesn't screw up the country beyond repair.
There is a good chance Donald will not complete his presidency. I think JD, as repugnant as he is, would be better as a) no one likes him, not even his own party, and more importantly b) he could not hold the MAGA base. I don't think anyone but Trump can do that. In spite of Don Jr.'s hopes and dreams on that score...
Also I should have specified Section 3 of Article.14.
@ Paul Alexander: Dream on. Trump is in a world of hurt and Jan 20th is only the beginning.
God, I sure hope you're right.
His voters were alright with others suffering is why they believed him. Trump campaigned on "us versus them" and his followers stupidly bought his line of BS hook, line, and sinker. Remember when he said he'd "Protect women ... whether they like it or not?"
He is a pervert, an adulterer, and a liar. Why would any thinking person believe him? The only reason is because of everything he promised to do to RINOS and his perceived "political enemies" they supported. Trump's theme of "us versus them" gave MAGA a false (flimsy) impression of security, protection, and--yes, "immunity" by Trump's definition.
"Do anything, and I'll protect you!" How many JAN6 families did he financially support? How many of their legal bills has he paid? When only a "select few" are pardoned, what will the response be? It's not good [for him and his legion of devils], and we can take that to the bank.
They are the duped stupids who never figured on being lied to and abandoned. They thought he would be their Cyrus. He is their Jeroboam aka The Great Betrayor.
Good. Fool around and find out is now in the find out stage.
Yup!
IGNORANCE is NOT an excuse. They made their bed now they need to lie in it. I don’t feel any sympathy for them. The rest of us unfortunately will pay for their ignorance and stupidity. The time is over for sugar coating the truth.
There were/are educated, professional well to do people who are pure Maga. Most are Christian nationalists who are militantly anti abortion, anti LGBTQ - especially the Trans part. If Trump pisses on them and says it's raining, they will believe him.
Thanks Meidas Touch the best thing I did was subscribing to your Podcast
A reminder: The 2025 word of the year will be schadenfreude.
Sadly true - but we all suffer due to their ignorance/hate/racism .......
Unfortunately, in 2025 99% of us will be the ones suffering!
Don’t forget the 10 million or so people who voted in 2020 but - for various reasons- couldn’t be bothered to vote! They are just as culpable!
You mean 100 million.
I can tell you, women all over the world, are laughing at what Maga thinks is an example of masculinity. They best keep their maga mama happy because women in other countries don't want anything to do with those kind of so-called men.
I am single & the fact that men voted someone in office who has treated women like crap & is taking away women's rights says it all about how much their women mean to them. After 25 years being married, I am happy not to deal with that.
So if we replace American workers with Indian hi tech workers will we be replacing Christianity with Hinduism?
It’s probably better. The Christianity of today is not about God or Jesus it’s about how much money and power can I get.
Or endorsing an immoral candidate.
Christian Nationalists who say they believe in Jesus & follow the Bible but only vote according to their own interests. I have had experience & have a hard time being around them as they eroded my trust in thinking we were like minded & shared the same beliefs.
Welcome to FAFO land MAGA morons; next time bone up on your reading and comprehension skills!