I feel like Kamala did that. I watched many rallies and saw her twice in person. She repeated the same things over and over. The challenge is that only WE saw it. How do you get the message to the people who are watching the news that doesn't cover anything good about Dems, or who don't watch the news at all?
And continues to be far from fair - Kamala conceded, leave her alone.... but they are afraid of her getting a "comeback" so they are trying to destroy her now.
You are absolutely right. I don't watch network news anymore. I spent the last two years yelling at the tv for their sane washing of trump and their inability to say one damn thing about the progress on the economy and jobs of the Biden Administration.
Unfortunately, Dems won’t/can’t play dirty. It’s always been that way and got worse when Michelle O told them “when they go low, we go high”. Obviously, that tactic hasn’t been working. Have we no grit and determination any longer?
“We’ve been dumped on by a #Dino. The ENTIRE election was illegitimate. So, grab a shovel and start clearing the deck. We can still turn this thing around by January 20th, 2025 …IF we stay together. Tie me to the wheel. We’re going UP and OVER!” ~ Capt. Lindeman, Surfing the Krakatoa Tsunami, 1883 🦖 #Eugene!
Dems have been criticized for many years for not using the echo chamber where a bunch of senators and congresspeople come out to the press use the same exact line. They started off great with saying 'weird' and then dropped it after the convention. WTF?
Actually, I disliked the word "weird". That can connote nerdy, different, eclectic, etc. Anyone can be "weird but charming". It doesn't convey dangerous. We need simple words that do that.
Must you basic language. No Trump is an authoritarian. Say Trump wants to control everyone and everything if it makes him richer and gets attention. That’s just an example. As a researcher, we constantly remind ourselves not to use “researchy” terms.
Trump wants to even the score for everything he feels wronged him. The SCOTUS gave him the permission to do it. None of the retribution is intentionally for the cult. If they get retribution, it’s coincidental
tRump seeking retribution is solely for himself...he could give two sh*ts about people that voted or support him. Knowing he has the power to crush people under his boot heel anytime he feels disrespected and nobody can do a thing about it is what he wants, what he craves.....all the while lining his pockets off the backs of everyone he can.
Trump is sick. Why can't the government insist upon having a cognative test? Also a sanity test. There are several psychiatrist who have judged him as mentaly unfit for the job
They tried that message and people looked around at their lives and said “We don’t believe you. You’ve been in charge for nearly 4 years and we are struggling”.
The most important message that should have been repeated, ad nauseam, was: the reason you are struggling under a booming economy is because corporations are running the show and making record profits while you flounder. They are robbing you blind and we are working to rein them in (Lina Khan was working on it but now that pipe dream is over).The president doesn’t control gas and grocery prices and republicans are going to completely pull off the regulation brakes and allow them to run rampant.
Now, that would not be the concise message I would put together (see Bernie) but it is exactly what that needed to be repeated. The economy was top of everyone’s list and the Dems threw in a bit about ending price gouging, but did people really understand what that meant and was it effectively messaged? Nope. Not in any way. They blew it on the economy, countering TFG’s lies about the border and violent crime, and addressing Gaza…but most importantly, the economy.
If they had done that properly, the message of we care (which they did do) would have been apparent by their explanation of the problem and their promising to get tough on corporate greed.
Struggling? If biden hadn't inherited what the clown for 4 years left we would still have a good economy remember the pandemic? but it wasn't fast enough for them...did we all forget how trump fucked it up...trump had a good econmy from obama.
again again he was presented a thriving economy that he ruined..wonder how long before he fucks that up too
If you haven’t noticed people are struggling with their gas and groceries. It’s true but they don’t understand why. The job numbers are great, inflation is low, but if you don’t feel it in your pocketbook you don’t believe it. The Dems didn’t make their case and explain why things are the way they are.
Yeah I'm finding that out... we want instant gratification... didn't come fast enough so let's go w the person who never did anything for the people and ruined the economy the last time
They attributed current conditions to current administration. They forget that Trump’s handling of Covid put the economy in the toilet. Millions of people dead and no one remembers. No one remembers rationing toilet paper and paper towels. 14% unemployment. Food lines that ran out of food. There’ll be another crisis within the next 4 years and Trump and his circus won’t be capable of addressing. He’ll be too distracted with getting retribution.
Biden inherited Trump’s sh*t show and pulled us out of the disaster in 4 years. Grocery store parking lots are full. Theaters and restaurants too. 401k’s recovered, inflation is down.
Corporations are recouping their profits after the pandemic. Their loyalty is to their shareholders. Not the consumers. And like Trump and his compatriots, they do it out in the open. The data is published. No one looks
Trump’s approach is to keep talking, if it’s a lie, say it louder and more often. Before long, it becomes the truth. People are lazy. They don’t even try to understand what is going on. They listen to their preferred sources of information and absorb whatever mindless nonsense is pushed at them. Trump and Fox, et al, push false information 24/7. People are too lazy to pull information from other sources to verify it.
The dems don't like to lie. We don't say we are your protector which would ignore our knowledge of civics. We could say we are going to jail any opposition so we can get things we want done which would diminish our democracy. We could say we will fight first day to lower your food costs which would ignore free markets. But that is exactly what Americans voted for cruelty, hostility and bullying. Now how do you counter message that? We are the ones who play by the rules? That's what was tried.
Beth, you are so right. People want to blame the government when our real problem is corporations seeking bigger profits. Wonder where the jobs went look to the self serve lines increasing every where. Wonder why your phone call is so important but you can't talk to a real person or the person you do talk to has English as a second language? The government doesn't raise your rent. The government doesn't raise your mortgage. Supply and demand is one of the most sinister concepts that plague us when we are not talking about raw materials in products. Any excuse to raise prices but little effort is expended to lower them.
Totally agree! This has been the problem for decades. POTUS has limited power especially over $$. Candidates need to include the importance of Congress in their messaging, as well as corporate greed being the reason for price of eggs/gas, not a thing Government can control (without congressional action/regulations). People have been fed a diet of “see what the Prez did(or didn’t do), by the media and other side politicians, for years!
Agreed, we need to swamp the media-sphere with a clear, concise message repeated over and over again. The Dems should be working on building out that media-sphere starting NOW!!
I agree but I also think we need more independent journalists who can appeal to younger audiences. The younger demographic absorbs almost all of their news on social media and on sites such as Rumble and YT. I think our messaging also needs to be engaging. Marketing is just as important as messaging in my opinion. That’s where the GOP has the upper hand over Dems.
It’s easier to teach than to re-teach. If they got the bad message after hearing it just a few times, we will need to repeat the counter message many more times to get it to stick.
But will there be elections? This orange sh*t stain is not the one calling the shots. I think someone else is or will be and come midterms, the destruction will be done. And even if we get past that, do you think that he will leave? It’s not just the idiot he puts in the DOJ but the other 2 working behind him. Plus he has the Supreme Court. I still can’t believe that we are dealing with this POS again.
I'm hopeful but not blind - we haven't even begun to see what a show this term is going to bring. Amazes me that everyone keeps talking like he's going to last 4 years . . . pretty sure the plan was for him to win and JD to take over in a few months or a year after the inauguration. If his party wants him out and JD in, I doubt he will just walk away. So many possibilities . . . .
It’s scary. He hasn’t even gotten in yet, look at everyone he has picked to be in his cabinet. Can we trust old school Republicans to toe the line? I don’t know…
A political party can't just say, "We care about you!", they have to demonstrate it, and big infrastructure programs poorly translate to that message. Sure, tRump bleated out some sort of "care" message, but it was freighted in dystopic images that "only he can fix", and the propaganda worked stunningly well. For whatever reason - and many have been proffered - tRump's messaging struck very responsive chords across the electorate as a whole, and his secret sauce - however bizarre and cheesy it is - has not been duplicated nor neutralized by the
Dems, save the Biden win.
Voters were saying two weeks ago that they wanted more "caring", and tRump answered the call far more effectively than Harris did, largely due to Goebbels-level propaganda success. Of course, now he and his star-crossed administration have to deliver the goods, but it remains the question of how much real performance vs performative jiving can carry the day with a majority of voters...can they REALLY tell the difference? Can MAGA propaganda really sustain an invented reality?
An interesting sociological experiment is about to launch, and I defy anyone to predict the outcome. tRump - and tRumpism - are variables never before encountered in this country's history, and it's a mug's game to parse out with any certainty of methodology, how to account for
it, and to assess how it evolves or ends.
tRump in 2028? If he's still alive, is it really impossible?
Yup! Always remember, 'Rump & MAGA Candidates DID NOT LANDSLIDE ANY OF THE 3 BRANCHES this 2024 Election! They have SLIM majorities in the House/Senate and several BLUE DEM POLICIES PASSED EVEN IN RED STATES! THERE IS NO 'Rump "MANDATE" BULLSHIT!
REPEAT! REPEAT! REPEAT THIS ALL PRO-DEMOCRACY NEW MEDIA (and mostly useless Corpo Media if there are any with spines left eh MSNBC?!)...
Kamala Harris' popular vote actually performed better than every GOP/MAGA (yes MAGA is the other party now, GOP does not exist anymore) Bush 1 & 2, McCain, Romney, Trump 2016 & 2020...she lost to 'Rump by 1.68% as the 2024 Popular Vote tallies are being finalized.
Two-thirds of the American public did not vote for the Con-man, Sexual Assaulter, Convicted Felon, Traitor 4 Dicktator Putin!
- 1/3 voted for Kamala
- 1/3 didn’t vote
-The disenfranchised, voter purged, and the Willfully Ignorant succumbed to Election Disinfo - and yes, Leon Musk & Putin fuckery the last 10 years has had/will continue to have a massive influence on every election until we combat it effectively!
- Those whose immigration status bars them from voting
- Those already being attacked by the MAGA Regime immediately - from racist modern slavery texts to black Americans to Nancy Mace' & Mike Johnson attacking the Trans community in and out of congress
- Those too mentally or physically disabled to vote
- The homeless
- The hopeless/despairing
All of those people are still important and need our help via...
RESIST: 'Rump & MAGA's Inhumane Hate Filled Legislation starting by HOUNDING every Senator to deny a "Recess Confirmation" BS, and make sure the FBI/Senate/House puts these DANGEROUSLY UNFIT Nominees through the proper hearings to run our Pentagon, Healthcare, Intelligence, Education...
FIGHT: Every Corpo Media, 'Rump, Musk, Putin and every MAGA LIAR in and out of Congress with THE TRUTH of HOW OUR GOVT. IS SUPPOSED TO WORK FOR ALL AMERICANS! NOT RAPIST CROOKS, BILLIONAIRES, DICK-TATORS!
PROTECT: The vulnerable from these assholes during these times...
Yes! Repetition, short phrases, simple language. Not because people aren't smart, but because this type of language is easier to take in more quickly and to retain longer (think of catchy tv ads.) We also need to NOT apologize/take back something we say when it is the truth, even if someone feels insulted. The way America plays politics has changed.
I feel like Kamala did that. I watched many rallies and saw her twice in person. She repeated the same things over and over. The challenge is that only WE saw it. How do you get the message to the people who are watching the news that doesn't cover anything good about Dems, or who don't watch the news at all?
We need a news network! We need the Midas Touch Network!
We need to replace/fight Fox.
And she was constantly criticized for not providing details. Even though she did.
Your right Michele she did. Unfortunately, the press coverage was far from fair.
And continues to be far from fair - Kamala conceded, leave her alone.... but they are afraid of her getting a "comeback" so they are trying to destroy her now.
Absolutely correct.
You are absolutely right. I don't watch network news anymore. I spent the last two years yelling at the tv for their sane washing of trump and their inability to say one damn thing about the progress on the economy and jobs of the Biden Administration.
“Hit ‘em low, and hit ‘em hard! And, when they get up … Hit ‘em again!” ~ Coach Lombardi 🏈
Unfortunately, Dems won’t/can’t play dirty. It’s always been that way and got worse when Michelle O told them “when they go low, we go high”. Obviously, that tactic hasn’t been working. Have we no grit and determination any longer?
Its hard because if we play dirty what's left to defend democracy ?
I think Joe knows the game. He is beginning to move (Ukrain for example) tactically without being dirty. Its brain vs brawn.
“We’ve been dumped on by a #Dino. The ENTIRE election was illegitimate. So, grab a shovel and start clearing the deck. We can still turn this thing around by January 20th, 2025 …IF we stay together. Tie me to the wheel. We’re going UP and OVER!” ~ Capt. Lindeman, Surfing the Krakatoa Tsunami, 1883 🦖 #Eugene!
Of course it’s effective you repeat repeat repeat the same lie over and over again people believe it and they did believe it!!!
Dems have been criticized for many years for not using the echo chamber where a bunch of senators and congresspeople come out to the press use the same exact line. They started off great with saying 'weird' and then dropped it after the convention. WTF?
Actually, I disliked the word "weird". That can connote nerdy, different, eclectic, etc. Anyone can be "weird but charming". It doesn't convey dangerous. We need simple words that do that.
Cruel. I think they’re purposely cruel.
Must you basic language. No Trump is an authoritarian. Say Trump wants to control everyone and everything if it makes him richer and gets attention. That’s just an example. As a researcher, we constantly remind ourselves not to use “researchy” terms.
Trump wants to even the score for everything he feels wronged him. The SCOTUS gave him the permission to do it. None of the retribution is intentionally for the cult. If they get retribution, it’s coincidental
tRump seeking retribution is solely for himself...he could give two sh*ts about people that voted or support him. Knowing he has the power to crush people under his boot heel anytime he feels disrespected and nobody can do a thing about it is what he wants, what he craves.....all the while lining his pockets off the backs of everyone he can.
I'm realizing that
Trump is sick. Why can't the government insist upon having a cognative test? Also a sanity test. There are several psychiatrist who have judged him as mentaly unfit for the job
They tried that message and people looked around at their lives and said “We don’t believe you. You’ve been in charge for nearly 4 years and we are struggling”.
The most important message that should have been repeated, ad nauseam, was: the reason you are struggling under a booming economy is because corporations are running the show and making record profits while you flounder. They are robbing you blind and we are working to rein them in (Lina Khan was working on it but now that pipe dream is over).The president doesn’t control gas and grocery prices and republicans are going to completely pull off the regulation brakes and allow them to run rampant.
Now, that would not be the concise message I would put together (see Bernie) but it is exactly what that needed to be repeated. The economy was top of everyone’s list and the Dems threw in a bit about ending price gouging, but did people really understand what that meant and was it effectively messaged? Nope. Not in any way. They blew it on the economy, countering TFG’s lies about the border and violent crime, and addressing Gaza…but most importantly, the economy.
If they had done that properly, the message of we care (which they did do) would have been apparent by their explanation of the problem and their promising to get tough on corporate greed.
Struggling? If biden hadn't inherited what the clown for 4 years left we would still have a good economy remember the pandemic? but it wasn't fast enough for them...did we all forget how trump fucked it up...trump had a good econmy from obama.
again again he was presented a thriving economy that he ruined..wonder how long before he fucks that up too
If you haven’t noticed people are struggling with their gas and groceries. It’s true but they don’t understand why. The job numbers are great, inflation is low, but if you don’t feel it in your pocketbook you don’t believe it. The Dems didn’t make their case and explain why things are the way they are.
Did you not fully read my comment!
Yeah I'm finding that out... we want instant gratification... didn't come fast enough so let's go w the person who never did anything for the people and ruined the economy the last time
They always do that. Its expected.
They attributed current conditions to current administration. They forget that Trump’s handling of Covid put the economy in the toilet. Millions of people dead and no one remembers. No one remembers rationing toilet paper and paper towels. 14% unemployment. Food lines that ran out of food. There’ll be another crisis within the next 4 years and Trump and his circus won’t be capable of addressing. He’ll be too distracted with getting retribution.
Biden inherited Trump’s sh*t show and pulled us out of the disaster in 4 years. Grocery store parking lots are full. Theaters and restaurants too. 401k’s recovered, inflation is down.
Corporations are recouping their profits after the pandemic. Their loyalty is to their shareholders. Not the consumers. And like Trump and his compatriots, they do it out in the open. The data is published. No one looks
Trump’s approach is to keep talking, if it’s a lie, say it louder and more often. Before long, it becomes the truth. People are lazy. They don’t even try to understand what is going on. They listen to their preferred sources of information and absorb whatever mindless nonsense is pushed at them. Trump and Fox, et al, push false information 24/7. People are too lazy to pull information from other sources to verify it.
Dems had the story, just didn't know how to tell it.
The dems don't like to lie. We don't say we are your protector which would ignore our knowledge of civics. We could say we are going to jail any opposition so we can get things we want done which would diminish our democracy. We could say we will fight first day to lower your food costs which would ignore free markets. But that is exactly what Americans voted for cruelty, hostility and bullying. Now how do you counter message that? We are the ones who play by the rules? That's what was tried.
Beth, you are so right. People want to blame the government when our real problem is corporations seeking bigger profits. Wonder where the jobs went look to the self serve lines increasing every where. Wonder why your phone call is so important but you can't talk to a real person or the person you do talk to has English as a second language? The government doesn't raise your rent. The government doesn't raise your mortgage. Supply and demand is one of the most sinister concepts that plague us when we are not talking about raw materials in products. Any excuse to raise prices but little effort is expended to lower them.
Totally agree! This has been the problem for decades. POTUS has limited power especially over $$. Candidates need to include the importance of Congress in their messaging, as well as corporate greed being the reason for price of eggs/gas, not a thing Government can control (without congressional action/regulations). People have been fed a diet of “see what the Prez did(or didn’t do), by the media and other side politicians, for years!
Agreed, we need to swamp the media-sphere with a clear, concise message repeated over and over again. The Dems should be working on building out that media-sphere starting NOW!!
100%
I agree but I also think we need more independent journalists who can appeal to younger audiences. The younger demographic absorbs almost all of their news on social media and on sites such as Rumble and YT. I think our messaging also needs to be engaging. Marketing is just as important as messaging in my opinion. That’s where the GOP has the upper hand over Dems.
Midastouch is one news station that younger demographic listen too
This is the basics of teaching. Repetition, repetition.
At least 31 times to ensure people remember.
Start with 7 times to get it in the short term memory and go from there. Ultimately have them reiterate in their own words.
It’s easier to teach than to re-teach. If they got the bad message after hearing it just a few times, we will need to repeat the counter message many more times to get it to stick.
Actually, we’re all tired of the derision. I don’t hate all Republicans. Only MAGA. We need to all come together to defeat trumpism.
But will there be elections? This orange sh*t stain is not the one calling the shots. I think someone else is or will be and come midterms, the destruction will be done. And even if we get past that, do you think that he will leave? It’s not just the idiot he puts in the DOJ but the other 2 working behind him. Plus he has the Supreme Court. I still can’t believe that we are dealing with this POS again.
I'm hopeful but not blind - we haven't even begun to see what a show this term is going to bring. Amazes me that everyone keeps talking like he's going to last 4 years . . . pretty sure the plan was for him to win and JD to take over in a few months or a year after the inauguration. If his party wants him out and JD in, I doubt he will just walk away. So many possibilities . . . .
It’s scary. He hasn’t even gotten in yet, look at everyone he has picked to be in his cabinet. Can we trust old school Republicans to toe the line? I don’t know…
That’s exactly how T got everyone on board - sickening repetition!
A political party can't just say, "We care about you!", they have to demonstrate it, and big infrastructure programs poorly translate to that message. Sure, tRump bleated out some sort of "care" message, but it was freighted in dystopic images that "only he can fix", and the propaganda worked stunningly well. For whatever reason - and many have been proffered - tRump's messaging struck very responsive chords across the electorate as a whole, and his secret sauce - however bizarre and cheesy it is - has not been duplicated nor neutralized by the
Dems, save the Biden win.
Voters were saying two weeks ago that they wanted more "caring", and tRump answered the call far more effectively than Harris did, largely due to Goebbels-level propaganda success. Of course, now he and his star-crossed administration have to deliver the goods, but it remains the question of how much real performance vs performative jiving can carry the day with a majority of voters...can they REALLY tell the difference? Can MAGA propaganda really sustain an invented reality?
An interesting sociological experiment is about to launch, and I defy anyone to predict the outcome. tRump - and tRumpism - are variables never before encountered in this country's history, and it's a mug's game to parse out with any certainty of methodology, how to account for
it, and to assess how it evolves or ends.
tRump in 2028? If he's still alive, is it really impossible?
Yup! Always remember, 'Rump & MAGA Candidates DID NOT LANDSLIDE ANY OF THE 3 BRANCHES this 2024 Election! They have SLIM majorities in the House/Senate and several BLUE DEM POLICIES PASSED EVEN IN RED STATES! THERE IS NO 'Rump "MANDATE" BULLSHIT!
REPEAT! REPEAT! REPEAT THIS ALL PRO-DEMOCRACY NEW MEDIA (and mostly useless Corpo Media if there are any with spines left eh MSNBC?!)...
Kamala Harris' popular vote actually performed better than every GOP/MAGA (yes MAGA is the other party now, GOP does not exist anymore) Bush 1 & 2, McCain, Romney, Trump 2016 & 2020...she lost to 'Rump by 1.68% as the 2024 Popular Vote tallies are being finalized.
Two-thirds of the American public did not vote for the Con-man, Sexual Assaulter, Convicted Felon, Traitor 4 Dicktator Putin!
- 1/3 voted for Kamala
- 1/3 didn’t vote
-The disenfranchised, voter purged, and the Willfully Ignorant succumbed to Election Disinfo - and yes, Leon Musk & Putin fuckery the last 10 years has had/will continue to have a massive influence on every election until we combat it effectively!
- Those whose immigration status bars them from voting
- Those already being attacked by the MAGA Regime immediately - from racist modern slavery texts to black Americans to Nancy Mace' & Mike Johnson attacking the Trans community in and out of congress
- Those too mentally or physically disabled to vote
- The homeless
- The hopeless/despairing
All of those people are still important and need our help via...
RESIST: 'Rump & MAGA's Inhumane Hate Filled Legislation starting by HOUNDING every Senator to deny a "Recess Confirmation" BS, and make sure the FBI/Senate/House puts these DANGEROUSLY UNFIT Nominees through the proper hearings to run our Pentagon, Healthcare, Intelligence, Education...
FIGHT: Every Corpo Media, 'Rump, Musk, Putin and every MAGA LIAR in and out of Congress with THE TRUTH of HOW OUR GOVT. IS SUPPOSED TO WORK FOR ALL AMERICANS! NOT RAPIST CROOKS, BILLIONAIRES, DICK-TATORS!
PROTECT: The vulnerable from these assholes during these times...
Yes! Repetition, short phrases, simple language. Not because people aren't smart, but because this type of language is easier to take in more quickly and to retain longer (think of catchy tv ads.) We also need to NOT apologize/take back something we say when it is the truth, even if someone feels insulted. The way America plays politics has changed.