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Of course it is , musk thinks that entire ship belongs to him and him alone , atop the fact that he believes it’s a Ponzi scheme. Social Security is a third rail politics issue, however, and the longer that musk continues to fuck around with it the more likely that it is gonna cause problems for Trump and the GOP. https://thistleandmoss.com/p/elon-musk-the-us-social-security

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They are gutting everything in order to replace freedom with terms of service:

Mr. Harari, thinking about all this, puts it this way: “Utopia and dystopia depends on your values.” … The useless class he describes is uniquely vulnerable. “If a century ago you mounted a revolution against exploitation, you knew that when bad comes to worse, they can’t shoot all of us because they need us,” he said, citing army service and factory work. —Yuval Noah Harari, WEF Second in Command

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DOGE equals RAGE (Retire All Government Employees), and is the unholy design of Curtis Yarvin which Musk is executing in order to gut the government and replace it with spiderweb oligarch corporate AI fueled feudalism—A new “software model” for world control. The world will devolve into a a place where our time is spent in virtual worlds in order to escape the hell-on-earth real one. What the real world will look like from Stay Slick

What this will look like from Stay Slick:

In the Technate’s framework, money is secondary to control. It’s not about wealth—it’s about governance through engineered scarcity, algorithmic management, and total control over participation.

-No elections. Just platform governance.

-No citizenship. Just digital access.

-No rights. Just Terms of Service.

You do not vote, you subscribe. You do not have rights, you have privileges that can be revoked. You do not have representation, you have AI-led arbitration.

A world where:

-Housing, food, and healthcare exist—but only within their network.

-Your participation in society depends on your compliance.

-Every transaction, every movement, every thought is recorded and scored.

Purpose of DOGE: A Billionaire's Utopia is Our Dystopia Snow Crash Predictive Programming: https://old.bitchute.com/video/PiKR2hqZgiwE [6.33mins]

Full article: https://heyslick.substack.com/p/the-technate-of-north-america

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It's a fever dream of basement tech boys. See Yarvin's NYT interview on Youtube. An immoral deceptive little shit.

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a deep dark hole.

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You are 💯% right. This is exactly what the oligarchs and tech bros want. Exactly. I read Snow Crash in the 1990s and could see how easily that Sci Fi dystopia could gain ground in a rich country already essentially run by corporations.

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Yarvin, Musk and Trump need to be chained up together in the basement of Rikers in the wettest , day, area possible!

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Maybe just send them to their favorite prison in El Salvador.

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Musk treats the government if it is nothing more than a private business that he has bought and can loot as he sees fit.

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He bought all right $280mil. Trump sold his campaign to musk & fucking Putin. This is scary as fuck. I know most Americans are working not paying much attention because DJT AND MUSK BOUGHT THE MEDIA. ITS LIKE RUSSIA, HUNGARY, Turkey if Americans don’t wake up USA IS GOING TO TURN INTO HUNGARY. ORBAN IS CLOSE WITH DJT as well as Current GOP who Flew on Taxpayers money to Hungary why? Who know Orban spoke at REP CPAC Why? This a SICKNESS

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But will it fail in the meantime?

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Not with out revolution

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No way if the republicans actually allow this. I pray they know a lot of people will die. No body is going to just sit back and let them steal our money. They really have a death wish!!

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They have no clue, over 70 million people rely on it , if they don’t get their money I truly believe war will ensue and remember we have veterans who are on SS so don’t think that we the people will be hiding from them

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I've noticed that so many of the resistance rallies are attended by older folks! We've still got the energy, wisdom and guts to speak our minds. And those who are retired have the time to show up.

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You've probably noticed our generation spent more time furthering our education. Kids these days think they've accomplished something if they're high school dropouts. Our generation has worked all those years or gone to war. On top of all that, we apparently understand the Constitution, Bill of Rights, Declaration of Independence and how the legislative process works. I know you've noticed the lack of comprehension from younger generations about those very important aspects of our government. They believe if felon trump or the migrant billionaire says something on socal media, it's the way things work. smh!

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The one I was at was primarily seniors. There was a scattering of younger people as well, but predominately seniors.

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That’s what I thought too! Where the hell are all the younger generations?! Do they actually think all of us older people are Republicans? They need to make the time for this, it’s their future too!

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Are you suggesting that the migrant billionaire's scorched earth methods could backfire? I hear ya! Good thinking!

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And we have plenty of water!! We will not stand by and let no fucking billionaires steal our money. I guarantee they will not have enough security protection for the war that will break out. No Republican up in that capital will be safe. Elon is going to cause those republicans to get killed.

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Don’t count on it. They are a group of self serving narcissists who are devoid of any semblance of concern for others. They are like a multi-headed monster with an insatiable appetite for money and power. We’re living in the Stranger Things upside down. Who will end this madness.

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How dare a foreigner who has fed at the $ trough called ‘government’ in the form of billions in subsidies and ludicrous tax breaks now point a finger at the hardworking, constantly taxed American people telling us our gov’t is inefficient and full of waste. Pay all your handouts back and we may listen to you Musk.

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Nobody is going to ever listen to that sniffing bitch. The republicans days are numbered.

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I can’t wait until musk is publicly torn into pieces by an enraged citizenry after he has fisted everyone in the planet.

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Let’s just load him on his spacex rocket and shoot to Mars-he wants to be there anyway!

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And hoping it'll explode on the way there!

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I ran across this a little while ago.

https://www.nytimes.com/2025/03/23/us/politics/spacex-contracts-musk-doge-trump.html?utm_source=substack&utm_medium=email

From the New York Times-

The roughly $300 million Musk spent to help elect Trump is starting to look like a pretty good deal. The billionaire owner of SpaceX and Tesla now stands to net a great deal more in federal contracts. From the New York Times:

Within the Trump administration’s Defense Department, Elon Musk’s SpaceX rocketry is being trumpeted as the nifty new way the Pentagon could move military cargo rapidly around the globe.

In the Commerce Department, SpaceX’s Starlink satellite internet service will now be fully eligible for the federal government’s $42 billion rural broadband push, after being largely shut out during the Biden era.

At NASA, after repeated nudges by Mr. Musk, the agency is being squeezed to turn its focus to Mars, allowing SpaceX to pursue federal contracts to deliver the first humans to the distant planet.

And at the Federal Aviation Administration and the White House itself, Starlink satellite dishes have recently been installed, to expand federal government internet access.

The report goes on to note that SpaceX would likely be the primary beneficiary of Trump’s plan for a Golden Dome, which — in theory — would work like a modernized version of Reagan’s failed “Star Wars” missile defense program. One former Pentagon comptroller has estimated the annual cost of operating the Golden Dome to be $100 billion.

The New York Times reported last week that the Pentagon had arranged to brief Musk on what it plans to do if war breaks out between the U.S. and China. The Pentagon opted to cancel that meeting after the leak, but SpaceX would gain a lot of valuable information on the Pentagon’s future procurement needs should Musk receive a similar briefing in the future.

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They’re stealing people’s money 💰! F’ that!

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They need to be prosecuted for theft if there is money missing from the Treasury or Soc Security. Clearly the money belongs to the people and if it goes ‘missing’ with a wiped out data trail we know who did it. And if so, do we still have laws on this country ??

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Musk & big balls - so they can give to the rich - that’s the plan!

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Who’s they, please?

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The oligarchs...duh

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Trump, Musk, the tech teens and anyone in the cabinet who is complicit

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The billionaires backing Trump!

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Anyone!

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That is…not an answer.

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Each member of DT cabinet are billionaires or millionaires, and then there are the behind the ‘curtain billionaires’ that are directing this regime. You need to start reading and listening to the independent podcasts. Fox News only reports what DT and the ‘wizards’ want known!

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I do, daily. Both trump and musk should be in prison.

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Oh, I’m well aware of the wealth behind the maga movement.

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Well I haven't see any Dems in action, they've all gone to sleep :(

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No argument from me. The utter spinelessness of Schumer and Jeffries, among others, has been depressing to watch. Crockett and Ocasio-Cortez are standing up, though, as has been their wont, so I have hope.

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I would love to hear how Trump voters who need social security feel about this? I have seen zero coverage on this point

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I haven't either but my guess is that they will say something like, "Oh, he's not really going to do that, you silly thing."

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It will take their checks actually getting shut off

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I’m seriously looking for options to live elsewhere. It’s not just the money….im concerned about civil liberties in general but also think there are a lot of people who will be rounded up due to their ethnicity and political views.

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That's EXACTLY what redface and Mucky will do!

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We'll see if they really have a problem come April 1st when they have their special elections in Florida. If they truly are not happy, then they will vote against the "R's".

Pennsylvania has already made their statement by electing 2 Dems into their state house. Wisconsin's special election is also on Tuesday. It's going to be an interesting day.

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I can't understand Florida being red anyway with all the senior citizens retiring and moving there.

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Yes, Pennsylvania was bought by the billionaires. Too bad that guy in Butler County missed his target.

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Yeah, that migrantmusk bought Pennsylvania for trump. I'll never believe the Amish registered and voted after 100s of years of them avoiding us and our government. Migrantmusk bragged about how he personally went through the countryside knocking on doors. No problem there but how much money "fell out of his wallet" at each door?

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I remember seeing a few one million dollar checks being given to recipients.

Why aren't these criminals in jail?

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Haha. They don't cover it on Fox...the news for idiots.

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They will say what they always say - #Felon47 is only kidding. They will say that you can't listen to leftist media. They will repeat #Felon47 's "witch hunt" bullshit.

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DOGEs existence is a scandal. Imagine if Biden made up a fake department, never got approval for it to exist via Congress, and then sent those people into government departments AND independent businesses and had information and data stolen. The friggin uproar from Republicans would be deafening. Especially if it was under the guise of efficiency. Omg we would never hear the end of it.

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They want a Universal Salary 🤷‍♀️

I earned mine

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They want a world where people exchange their labor for enough to eat, shelter against the storms, medical care when needed and the training of the next generation. Families care for the weak, they do not abandon them on the hillside to die of exposure. Government should not either

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Musk must go, right along with Trump. They are both entitled bastards. ME Blanchard

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My husband is 61 and paid SS Disability due to his Frontotemporal diagnosis. I am afraid some DOGE idiot will question why a 61 yr old is receiving benefits!!

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Keep raising the issue and the people will vote them out!

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Sounds great but what makes you think there will even be any REAL elections?

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That's why we need Feathers of Hope. Only 3 House members from shared government. https://jerryweiss.substack.com/

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What is that?

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Musk will rig the midterms for sure! And any future elections

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Im hoping there will be and we need to keep pushing this narrative about SS people are changing their minds about him, I hear it all thff Ed time

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This is nothing more and strictly meanness and wickedness toward many people who receive this pay-out! They depend on it! Many are MAGAs and they did this to themselves. Sorry but the felon told you what he intended to do in order to find monies to shower a huge tax cut on his cronies. Oligarchs always think of themselves first! Control? Power? More money!

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An entirely racist fascist autocratic regime messing around illegally with the disabled and elderly money that they've earned is purely diabolical. It is evil. These monsters all just want power and control. They think that they deserve to take it all. The sad part? Not too many people are doing shit about it. 10s of thousands protesting isn't enough. We need millions of people in the streets. And once those take a break and go home we need another few million taking their place and protesting. Because these monsters aren't even obeying the court orders. They are giving these judges the middle finger 🖕. So, what now? We must fight hard. ( nothing comes easy) in order to dethrone these mother fuckers.

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4/05/2025!! DC would be best, but your state capitol is next best!! I will be there!! My family too!! Good trouble!!!!!

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Why is our elected CONGRESS NOT STOPPING the STEAL❓WHY ARE THEY NOT ON BREAKING NEWS EVERYDAY❓ ANY 5 th grader know this is UNCONSTITUTIONAL … in so many areas… WHY WHY WHY WHY ARE THEY WUIET… ❓I care less about their meetings… when they get out… have A press conference… spread the word❗️BTW-why SO QUIET ON UKRAINE… this whole garbage is a coup… NO NO NICE… WHERE ARE THE DEMS & the REPUBS THAT ARE STILL PATRIOTS FIRST, where❓❓❓YOU ELECTED DEMS UR SILENCE IS DEADLY DEAFENING❗️❗️❗️❗️

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They want to screw it all up, piss off the public and either blame Biden or hope people want to get out of the system. Chaos and pain is what Musk and Trump want to mete out.

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Trumps ponsi scheme make the American people poor the Trump administration must against he steal billions of dollars from the health care industry and other USAid benefit education programs veterans this administration robbery the American people out what’s going on in the court of justice will sanction this Trump administration now

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The retirement fund is actually an endowment, and the main problem is that the baby boomer population will start to die out by 2034. Later generations have much smaller populations, and therefore the rate of paymnents will begin to decline about 2034.

That Ponzi bullshit has been around a long time. This used to be my subject. For starters, the Republicans long have tried to "sunset" all benefits. That "all" includes stuff like Medicare, VA, Black Lung, food stamps, etc ,

The Republicans falsely allege that SS is part of the budget. You have to understand SS is NOT a retirement program although there is a retirement trust fund that will "default" in 2033 according to the trustees. If the programs were sunsetted, they'd have to be renewed on an annual basis, and given politics, would die.

In a 2000 book he co-wrote called “The America We Deserve,” Trump called Social Security a “huge Ponzi scheme” that American workers are forced to pay into. He added that for future retirees under 40 at the time, “we can also raise the age for receipt of full Social Security benefits to seventy,” because “we’re living longer.”

In December 2004, just before a Republican push to partially privatize the program, Trump was asked on MSNBC’s “Hardball” whether he’d support individual retirement accounts and answered: “I sort of think I would. Something has to be done. Social Security is a huge problem right now, funding it.”

In 2012, Trump praised proposals by Paul Ryan, then the Republican vice presidential nominee, to convert Medicare into a “premium support” system that would cap spending for future retirees and give them vouchers to buy insurance plans. “I think Paul Ryan and Mitt Romney will save Medicare. I know they will. And people are starting to understand it. They’re going to be very happy with what’s going on, but they’re going to be very, very unhappy if Obama gets in,” Trump told Fox News at the time, reflecting on the 2012 presidential race. “I think actually if Obama gets in and if Obamacare isn’t ended, I really think Medicare will be a thing of the past.” (President Barack Obama ran against the Ryan plan and won re-election; seven years after he left office, Obamacare and Medicare still exist.) By 2015, when Trump ran for president, he sought to position himself in the Republican field as the rare candidate who wouldn’t cut those programs. “I’m not going to cut Social Security like every other Republican, and I’m not going to cut Medicare or Medicaid,” he said as he was launching his campaign. By 2020, it was clear Trump was trying to break the system. He offered a "payroll tax cut" designed to result in significant revenue losses for Social Security, but also to eliminate employee payroll taxes for good. That would kill both the retirement and disability programs.

https://www.americanprogress.org/article/trumps-plan-defund-social-security/

Trump’s fiscal 2021 budget endorsed Social Security cuts to the tune of billions of dollars for disabled seniors. His budget would have made changes to Social Security Disability Insurance, slashing the maximum amount of retroactive benefits for disabled workers from 12 months to six. According to the liberal Center on Budget and Policy Priorities, that could lead to a $7,500 average cut for a worker injured in a car crash.

The budget also called for reducing Supplemental Security Income benefits for those who live with other SSI recipients. Republicans encouraged slashing all benefits and the Republicans tried to kill the disability fund. https://digitalcommons.pepperdine.edu/naalj/vol36/iss1/4/

SSI does not come from the trust funds and IMHO will be attacked.

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The object is to make beneficiaries hate the administration of the program so much that Congress will be able to give the trust funds for investment in the markts.

Most vulnerable are SSI recipients because their payments come via the bidget and not the trust funds.

I've been working on a solution to save the retirement fund using charitable deductions. Several of the former comissioners thanked me and SSA has a web site explaining it. The default of Trust Funds is supposed to apex in 2033. After 2034, birth rates of later generations flatten and the funds can be solvent.

https://www.ssa.gov/agency/donations.html

Why doesn't SSA advertise that donations can flatten the curve and extend the default date ?

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If the millionaires and billionaires paid their fair share into Social Security tax, the program would remain solvent, and the monthly disbursement to seniors, disabled would allow for a significant COLA each year!

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Takes legislation. We had trouble with even Obama and Biden.....we can't expect Congress to come to the rescue.

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Unfortunately Congress is an integral part in making laws to have the rich pay their fair share! It’s their responsibility as the people’s branch of government.

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Not. in the near future.

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Social Security is an insurance program which benefits us all.

If a young worker dies in an accident, or due to cancer, etc., Social Security can replace part of the lost income if the worker paid FICA taxes for as little as 6 quarters (depending on the worker's age at death).

If a worker under retirement age becomes permanently disabled, Social Security can replace part of the lost income for the worker, children in some cases, and spouse in some cases, if the worker paid FICA taxes for as little as 6 quarters (depending on the worker's age at time of disability).

If I pay my house insurance and don't have to make a claim because a storm didn't damage my roof, I am glad to have had the coverage anyway. Similarly, if I don't die or become disabled, I am still glad to have the Social Security coverage.

Our society benefits: when seniors get their Social Security benefits, they can pay for their food, shelter, etc., without having to ask their kids to pay Mom/Dad's bills or move in with their kids. Their kids can then use their money for their own needs and to raise their own children. Not to mention the seniors tend to put those Social Security benefits right back into the economy, keeping our consumer economy humming.

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Donations like taxing the rich? I'm about donationed out

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Wealthy people get a dollar for dollar deduction. Many of the extremely wealthyhave a family foundation, which gives them further braeaks.

I'm afariad we'll never control Congress. The rich thing that Biden went too far....

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We may control congress before you think, old farts are dropping dead. 1 repub and 2 Dems since the beginning of the year

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Feathers of Hope. Bugt even many Democrats don't want the cap option. They're many others such as extend the required quarters of coverage, change gthe multiplier from 35 years, raise beneficiary ages, etc.

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This could work, but not now while DJT is intent on privatizing Social Security to benefit the wealthy who'd raid and/or fail to safeguard the Trust Funds. If we donated right now, the oligarchs would just confiscate a bigger pot of money.

As of 2034 (give or take), the Trust Funds are projected to be depleted -- but Social Security would still be paid out of ongoing FICA taxes. Those FICA taxes wouldn't cover the entire amount due, so projections are that Social Security checks would continue to be paid but at a lesser amount. Deporting undocumented immigrants will exacerbate the demise of the Trust Fund because they do pay into Social Security but cannot qualify for Social Security benefits. There's a lot of money sitting in the Trust Funds which won't be claimed by these undocumented immigrants.

Reagan signed a bipartisan bill into law in 1983 which provided for tweaks to the funding and eligibility requirements & said that would make Social Security solvent for 30 years. Here we are, 42 years later, and Social Security is still solvent albeit in need of updated funding. No other government program or agency is funded past the end of the Fiscal Year (or Continuing Resolution), so Social Security is more securely funded than, say, the Defense Department. It all comes down to Congressional intent.

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Don't need much to move the default date. One donor like Musk could do it....

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If this is a crime, why is the MustRat not being arrested

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